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By clay meier
Nov 8, 2012
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Lynn S wrote:
I work in the rehab business, if any of you stoners want a bed saved at the facility I work at just let me know.


How many people are in rehab due to alcohal?


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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Nov 8, 2012
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "Alan Nelson's Bulging Belly" (5.10, X) on the Lost and Found Flatiron. Belayer is Mark Ruocco. Photo by Bill Wright, 10/06.

ErikaNW wrote:
There was a great story on NPR yesterday about what the impact would be if MMJ was legalized federally - mainly how hard it would hit the Mexican drug cartels. That would be a good thing, yes?

The effects would only in proportion to how much of it is M-MJ as opposed to R-MJ. The black market would still exist.


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By Jason N.
From Grand Junction
Nov 8, 2012
Indy pass

ErikaNW wrote:
I don't smoke and don't really feel one way or the other about those who do (although I do hope people don't drive impaired - from any substance). I do think the medical MMJ was a huge joke (it is amazing how many 20-something's have medical issues requiring scripts, poor guys...) and am glad to see a more honest measure in place.


I've heard that in Colorado at least, the average age of someone with an MMJ card is 40-something. Can anyone verify this?


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By Jason N.
From Grand Junction
Nov 8, 2012
Indy pass

Mike Lane wrote:
4 pages before this was finally said. A few additional thoughts: *The Feds will never allow pot shops (non MMJ) to open *The IRS still will bring the hammer on any business involved, including the medicinal outlets. They can't find banks to business with. *Hickenlooper more or less said he has no idea how to deal with this law considering the Federal authority, and such sure as hell WILL NOT be a champion for the cause when the court challenges arise. Just watch, he will be spineless and seek out some bullshit compromise like de-criminalizing; which totally negates the whole regulate like alcohol idea. Of course Romney was sure as fuck not going to step aside on this; but all you Democrats out there need to understand that with all that Federal government you keep voting for comes Federal authority as well. You cannot keep asking the government to do shit for you and not expect there to be a flip side of that coin; which is increased enforcement and reduced personal freedom. The good news here is that this is a strong message that the states want a return of their rights, (via the voice/vote of the people not the sniveling little bitches we elect to represent us). Elections do have consequences. The era of old school conservatism is now over, an era of Progressivism is underway; but at the same time we are seeing the initial stages of the rise of Libertarianism. This was a Libertarian issue the whole time after all. I would urge all of you who are not total Progressive idealogues to consider participating with this emerging movement. I did. We need to have a new 2nd party anyway. Edit to add: this is not a rant against Progressives, I much prefer them over what the old school GOP represented. I'm pretty sure Obama has no personal ill will against this, it is just that he is bound by oath to uphold the law as it stands. Of course I'm sure they will recognize this little ember of a states-rights movement and may decide to crush it quickly, time will tell.


Don't forget, the amendment also allows for individuals to grow their own plants. Imagine the resources it would take to prosecute thousands of Coloradoans growing their own plants...

It should be interesting to see how this all plays out for sure.


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By ErikaNW
Nov 8, 2012
Rapping off the Matron October, 2010

Thanks for the correction Tony! I have gotten used to MMJ terminology - shows how much (little?) I actually know about marijuana!

Not sure what the stats say about average age of card holders in Colorado - just observing the crowds that attend the Friday Happy Hour (yes they have this at the dispensary near my office....) where they have music and give away t-shirts and basically have a party on the sidewalk. Very 'medical' lol - maybe smoking keeps them all looking really young! Like I said, be honest and call it what it is. BTW, I do agree that medical marijuana is a godsend for those who need it, and those people are definitely out there - not wanting to imply in anyway that it is solely recreational.


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By Lynn S
Nov 8, 2012
old

clay meier wrote:
How many people are in rehab due to alcohal?


Today, where I work, the number of guys calling pot their "drug of choice" is the same as the number of guys saying their DOC is alcohol. The majority of the other clients would identify other substances as their DOC.

In a month that could shift one way or the other.


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By von dykes
Nov 8, 2012

A drug is a drug...its only a symptom of a bigger problem within. Acquiring coping and life skills through either steps and higher power or whatever floats your boat. A drug is a drug!


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By Luke Mehall
From Durango, Colorado
Nov 8, 2012
Freedom

some intelligence from NY Times:

www.nytimes.com/video/2012/11/07/opinion/100000001879103/med>>>


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By camhead
From Vandalia, Appalachia
Nov 8, 2012
You stay away from mah pig!

Lynn S wrote:
@john- yeah I only work with with addicts so your probably right that I don't know what I'm talking about.


You are being sarcastic, but are actually saying something completely and seriously true. You only work with addicts. Therefore, you have zero experience with anyone who has smoked weed and NOT moved on to harder drugs. Your sample is skewed.


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By Bob Dobalina
Nov 8, 2012

Lynn S wrote:
I work in the rehab business, if any of you stoners want a bed saved at the facility I work at just let me know.


Even though pot is simply NOT addictive? You are treating people that are so screwed up that they could become "addicted" to Pepsi. The fact that they have addictive personalities is the problem. Not pot!


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By camhead
From Vandalia, Appalachia
Nov 8, 2012
You stay away from mah pig!

20 kN wrote:
Smoking weed in Colorado is not going to be legal. Why? Colorado does not actually have the authority to say it is legal. See, the federal goverment has enacted federal laws against smoking weed which makes it illegal on every square inch of American soil. Colorado can choose to lift their state law against it, and Colorado police officers can choose not to arrest individuals for position, but that does not mean it is legal. The feds can still slam you for position if they wanted to, and you can bet that the DEA will likely still be doing drug running busts if they occur in Colorado, regardless of Colorado's new state law. The big question is whether Obama is going to let Colorado undermine his authority or whether he is going to slam them with the federal hammer of limitless power. Who knows, maybe Obama will declare martial law in Colorado to control all the runaway murderous pot smoking felons and corrupt non-pot-law-enforcing cops and I will get an all expenses paid trip to the Rocky Mountains!


The feds are not going to bother with busting regular users. The problem is that, just as the feds have been cracking down on M.M. dispensaries, they are going to continue fucking with production and distribution. In other words, folks in CO and WA who want to smoke in their own homes are going to be fine, but don't expect an easier time getting it, lower prices, more standardized and regular product, etc.

The implications of these measures, however, are pretty interesting. WA actually is in the process of putting together standards for enforcing DUIs for pot smokers, which got a lot of M.M. proponents mad to the point of campaigning against recreational legalization.

Also, how are WA and CO going to deal with prisoners incarcerated for breaking former STATE (not federal) laws, especially for small-time possession?

Should be interesting to see what happens. Most obviously, this is the beginning of the end of Prohibition, and it's being done democratically.

More broadly, this is just a sign (along with rising racial diversity of voters, democratic passing of marriage equality, and voters' rejection of Republican rape-mongers like Mourdoch and Akin) that the old "Silent Majority" Nixon/Reagan coalition that held the Republican Party together since the early 70s is breaking down. Really interesting time.


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By Bob Dobalina
Nov 8, 2012

Kevin Landolt wrote:
It's true that most drug addicts began using pot before they moved onto their vice of choice, but it's also true that every Hell's Angel rode a bicycle at some point before they invested in a Harley.


^^^ WINNER!!! ^^^


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By Red
From Arizona
Nov 8, 2012
Cobra Kai

von dykes wrote:
A drug is a drug...its only a symptom of a bigger problem within. Acquiring coping and life skills through either steps and higher power or whatever floats your boat. A drug is a drug!

Have you ever tried any Caffeine?


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By Old and Busted
From Centennial, CO
Nov 8, 2012
Stabby

camhead wrote:
More broadly, this is just a sign (along with rising racial diversity of voters, democratic passing of marriage equality, and voters' rejection of Republican rape-mongers like Mourdoch and Akin) that the old "Silent Majority" Nixon/Reagan coalition that held the Republican Party together since the early 70s is breaking down. Really interesting time.

Again, as I stated before, this issue here should represent the coming of the Libertarians to replace the RRW Republicans. If they can adapt and modify some (ie: distance itself from Objectivism), the Libertarians may attract both the left and right leaning moderates once the current run of Progressives has us in severe economic crisis.


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By Old and Busted
From Centennial, CO
Nov 8, 2012
Stabby

Red wrote:
Have you ever tried any Caffeine?

von dykes = elenor. Not hard to spot anymore


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By jake 356
From worcester
Nov 8, 2012

Just one question to Lynn how many of the addicts at your clinic are there court mandated? I only ask because I got arrested In mass when I was 17 or 18 for possession of grass, had about 2 grams. I was ordered to 16 weeks of out patient rehab 32 aa meetings( two a week). That will make any one say or do whatever they can to end it. Oh ya and 2 years supervised probation at 50 a week....first and only run in with the law.


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By NickinCO
From colorado
Nov 8, 2012
after the hard stuff, into cruiser hands.

Mike Lane wrote:
von dykes = elenor. Not hard to spot anymore


Good eye, I concur!


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By David Barbour
From Charlotte, NC
Nov 8, 2012

Ben Botelho wrote:
that's incorrect...enforcing federal law is the DEA's sole responsibility.


I realize that, but they can, and do, choose to turn the other way. Are sodomy laws enforced?

Do you have proof that the DEA has raided a significant number of dispensaries and growers which are following state law?


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By Lynn S
Nov 8, 2012
old

Kyle Blase wrote:
I vote we ban Lynn S from this site. What kind of climber thinks that weed is something you should be in rehab for? I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for psychedelics to be legalized in my lifetime.



I am just offering help if anyone wants it. Once again I am just relating my experience with the people I work with.

At no point did i say that every person who smokes dope needs rehab. With that being said then yes my population is unique.

There are actually quite a few climbers out there who don't smoke dope. It is my choice and the choice of quite a few others.

You may chose to smoke and I am not here to stop you, it is your choice.

Ban me from MP? If that makes you feel better have at it. However this forum thread has brought me a great number of laughs.


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By Lynn S
Nov 8, 2012
old

jake 356 wrote:
Just one question to Lynn how many of the addicts at your clinic are there court mandated? I only ask because I got arrested In mass when I was 17 or 18 for possession of grass, had about 2 grams. I was ordered to 16 weeks of out patient rehab 32 aa meetings( two a week). That will make any one say or do whatever they can to end it. Oh ya and 2 years supervised probation at 50 a week....first and only run in with the law.



We may get one or two a year that fit that scenario. Not the typical situation for my workplace.


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By Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
Nov 8, 2012
Bocan

Mike Lane wrote:
Again, as I stated before, this issue here should represent the coming of the Libertarians to replace the RRW Republicans. If they can adapt and modify some (ie: distance itself from Objectivism), the Libertarians may attract both the left and right leaning moderates once the current run of Progressives has us in severe economic crisis.


+1. This is the model I hope to see happen, even though Gary Johnson didn't get the 5% mark he needed.

Either way the Repulicans need to change their model or we will be a one party system.


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By Kyle Blase
From Salt Lake City, UT
Nov 8, 2012
hardcore unicycle!

Lynn S wrote:
I am just offering help if anyone wants it. Once again I am just relating my experience with the people I work with. At no point did i say that every person who smokes dope needs rehab. With that being said then yes my population is unique. There are actually quite a few climbers out there who don't smoke dope. It is my choice and the choice of quite a few others. You may chose to smoke and I am not here to stop you, it is your choice. Ban me from MP? If that makes you feel better have at it. However this forum thread has brought me a great number of laughs.


No hard feelings, Lynn. I just have never heard a climber as anti-cannabis as you. I'm not saying that everyone needs to smoke pot, but in this day and age it would be nice to not have people stating that we are gonna need rehab.

And please never compare alcohol to cannabis, never once have I heard of someone getting too high and then going home and beating their wife.


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By Ian Stewart
Nov 8, 2012

Kyle Blase wrote:
never once have I heard of someone getting too high and then going home and beating their wife.


Unless that bitch ate all the cheetos!

Seriously though, I was a drinker in college (didn't smoke much pot) and found myself waking up while hugging the toilet on a number of occasions. Not to mention the hangovers/vomiting lasting pretty long throughout the day. I'm sure most of us have been there at least once. I've also woken up with scratches and blood all over my body because I was drunk and decided to make some epic snow angels, not caring that what I thought was snow was actually just really hard, really sharp hard-pack covered in ice. It's not fun, and most certainly not good for your body.

When I got older and got a real job, the stresses and anxiety from work (and sometimes just ordinary life) would get to me and I found pot really helped me relax, let go, and get a good nights sleep. No matter how much I smoke, I wake up refreshed and ready to go with no ill effects. Sure, I've gotten high enough that everybody in the room turns into the teacher from Charlie Brown, or the ball of tinfoil in the garbage turns into a T-Rex, but it's always the same story...I go to sleep, wake up, and everything is 100%.

Also, drinking enough to the feel the effects usually takes me about 3 beers (depending on what's in my stomach), which is going to be at LEAST $4 or so if you're at home and not drinking crap. Bar tabs in college had run me close to triple-digits for just myself. While a quarter oz of weed, smoked daily, would last a couple months...probably about $1/day.

Anybody that can criticize weed while drinking a beer is just plain stupid.


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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Nov 8, 2012
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "Alan Nelson's Bulging Belly" (5.10, X) on the Lost and Found Flatiron. Belayer is Mark Ruocco. Photo by Bill Wright, 10/06.

ErikaNW wrote:
Not sure what the stats say about average age of card holders in Colorado - just observing the crowds that attend the Friday Happy Hour (yes they have this at the dispensary near my office....) where they have music and give away t-shirts and basically have a party on the sidewalk. Very 'medical' lol - maybe smoking keeps them all looking really young! Like I said, be honest and call it what it is. BTW, I do agree that medical marijuana is a godsend for those who need it, and those people are definitely out there - not wanting to imply in anyway that it is solely recreational.

last year the fastest growing sector of the population holding MMJ cards was the over-60 crowd. Let's not be shocked, because if you grew up in the 60's, you are over 60. So, hippies still like the stuff. Go figure.
Perhaps your experience with the happy hour is simply the demographic that wants/needs to do it there. Most older/experienced folks who partake (of whatever) don't see the need/benefit of doing it in public right after work. Maybe they are more responsible and think twice about how they are intending to get home afterwards, or simply want to go get dinner and relax first. That's my guess. I'm nto a straight edge, but if there were a happy hour for something I prefer that was in legally dubious standing, I wouldn't be hanging out at the place trying to get the cops to photograph me, follow me, search me, record my locations, and then try to figure out how to drive home. I prefer to go home, have a nice meal, change out of work clothes, get my errands done, then go have a Beer(*)

Here's why I support the change in law even though MJ is my least favorite way (I don't like it) of altering my state of mind.
1) It is and always was a dumb idea to make something 25% of all people do a criminal offense with potential jail time involved.
2) It's less harmful than some if not most of the alternatives.
3) All the efforts to stop it have only created a problem worse than the drug itself. I have no idea how many people died in MJ related car accidents. But I bet it's fewer than died in Mexico last year in the drug war or in the cartels. I have no idea how many families were torn apart by drug use, but I bet it is fewer than the drug war.
4) Cops attending to MJ cases are not attending to other cases, prison cells and courtrooms holding MJ cases are not holding other cases.

F&^%. Legalize it all. I'll smoke the exact same amount of weed next year as I smoked last year anyway. And it will be the exact same amount as I did of heroin and meth: 0.

Maybe someday we can talk about legalizing the other stuff when people realize that this isn't any worse than the black market.

(*) = Or what have you. I mean, seriously, if I was to be doing something illegal, I wouldn't be bragging about it.


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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Nov 8, 2012
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "Alan Nelson's Bulging Belly" (5.10, X) on the Lost and Found Flatiron. Belayer is Mark Ruocco. Photo by Bill Wright, 10/06.

Scott McMahon wrote:
+1. This is the model I hope to see happen, even though Gary Johnson didn't get the 5% mark he needed. Either way the Repulicans need to change their model or we will be a one party system.

Put a stake in their hearts so that the Goldwater republicans or something like that can come back... Meanwhile, yeah, remember that the progressive courts, legislature, and execs are the ones who advocate for all this federal power.


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