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By Jake Jones
From Richmond, VA
Nov 7, 2012
Me and the offspring walking back to the car after a day of cragging.
von dykes wrote:
So now people r gonna be going to AA meetings and instead of smoking cigarettes outside they will be smoking weed....


I think you need to seek out TA. Three guesses as to what that stands for. Please limit your three guesses to one comment.

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By von dykes
Nov 7, 2012
Trolls anonymous

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By von dykes
Nov 7, 2012
Its not my fault its a disease!

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By von dykes
Nov 7, 2012
It will be like : people stems go in the trash! Its a church for Gods sake!

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By Buff Johnson
Nov 7, 2012
smiley face
It should be mandated that both parties smoke a bowl before any civil court proceeding.

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By Kevin Landolt
From Fort Collins, Wyoming
Nov 7, 2012
It's true that most drug addicts began using pot before they moved onto their vice of choice, but it's also true that every Hell's Angel rode a bicycle at some point before they invested in a Harley.

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By Mike G
Nov 7, 2012
Keep smoking society need guys riding the backs of the garbage trucks

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By matt davies
Nov 7, 2012
Keep posting MP need more ha-ha smartguy

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By von dykes
Nov 7, 2012
Mike G wrote:
Keep smoking society need guys riding the backs of the garbage trucks

And nurses need mo cash to spend on their toys of choice ;) hehe

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By von dykes
Nov 7, 2012
Bottom line: it will stimulate da bejesus out of economy! Yea!

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By David Barbour
From Denver
Nov 7, 2012
Mike G wrote:
Keep smoking society need guys riding the backs of the garbage trucks


yeah and scientists
cannabisculture.com/articles/2...

and politicians
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_...

and world class athletes
bleacherreport.com/articles/11...

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By Merlin
From Grand Junction
Nov 7, 2012
Oxygen is a gateway drug, 100 percent of heavy drug users partake in it.

Its upbringing, personality, family history, etc. that matter. Lynn forgets the old correlation not equal causation thing.

Alcohol is much worse than weed, outlaw both or allow both.

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By Ben Brotelho
From Albany, NY
Nov 7, 2012
Epic free solo with a pack on
100% of water drinkers die...

Sad yet true statistic :(

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By handon broward
From Westminster, CO
Nov 7, 2012
Elk Range, CO
Mike G wrote:
Keep smoking society need guys riding the backs of the garbage trucks

flame

failed attempt i might add.

just bc you were a lazy stoner in high school who had to ride the back of a truck for a few years doesnt mean you need to take your anger out on us.

i smoke every day and ill.never ride a garbage truck

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By matt davies
Nov 7, 2012
Yeah, go do something more useful to society ya talented, reefer-chief'n bastage

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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Nov 7, 2012
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "Alan Nelson's Bulging Belly" (5.10, X) on the Lost and Found Flatiron. Belayer is Mark Ruocco. Photo by Bill Wright, 10/06.
chufftard wrote:
What is up with the drugged driving limits? Are we talking a bowl to put you over or a cheech size blunt?

If you can feel it at all, or recently could, then you are over.

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By 20 kN
From Hawaii
Nov 8, 2012
Smoking weed in Colorado is not going to be legal. Why? Colorado does not actually have the authority to say it is legal. See, the federal goverment has enacted federal laws against smoking weed which makes it illegal on every square inch of American soil. Colorado can choose to lift their state law against it, and Colorado police officers can choose not to arrest individuals for position, but that does not mean it is legal. The feds can still slam you for position if they wanted to, and you can bet that the DEA will likely still be doing drug running busts if they occur in Colorado, regardless of Colorado's new state law. The big question is whether Obama is going to let Colorado undermine his authority or whether he is going to slam them with the federal hammer of limitless power. Who knows, maybe Obama will declare martial law in Colorado to control all the runaway murderous pot smoking felons and corrupt non-pot-law-enforcing cops and I will get an all expenses paid trip to the Rocky Mountains!

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By Tim McCabe
Nov 8, 2012
20 kN wrote:
Smoking weed in Colorado is not going to be legal.



Right just like Arizona had no chance of taking control of all of the Federal lands in the state, even if Prop 120 would have passed.

The times they are a changing tho. At least this is a step in the right direction, in my opinion. It will be interesting to see what the Feds do. At some point we'll likely have enough support to change the law at the federal level. Of course that won't make it legal everywhere, states could still maintain laws, just like booze.

The driving side of things could get ugly. I mean if they wanted to law makers could say that if you fail a field sobriety test, they can take your piss. Any one who smokes would almost always fail.

There are however oral test that are geared more toward recent use.

In the end if you drive impaired you risk serious fines these days. It won't matter what your on when you get pulled over. And just like alcohol you can enjoy a little at the beginning of the party just make sure to lay off everything for several hours before driving. Or have a designated driver.

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By Old and Busted
From Centennial, CO
Nov 8, 2012
Stabby
20 kN wrote:
Smoking weed in Colorado is not going to be legal. Why? Colorado does not actually have the authority to say it is legal. See, the federal goverment has enacted federal laws against smoking weed which makes it illegal on every square inch of American soil. Colorado can choose to lift their state law against it, and Colorado police officers can choose not to arrest individuals for position, but that does not mean it is legal. The feds can still slam you for position if they wanted to, and you can bet that the DEA will likely still be doing drug running busts if they occur in Colorado, regardless of Colorado's new state law. The big question is whether Obama is going to let Colorado undermine his authority or whether he is going to slam them with the federal hammer of limitless power. Who knows, maybe Obama will declare martial law in Colorado to control all the runaway murderous pot smoking felons and corrupt non-pot-law-enforcing cops and I will get an all expenses paid trip to the Rocky Mountains!

4 pages before this was finally said.
A few additional thoughts:
  • The Feds will never allow pot shops (non MMJ) to open
  • The IRS still will bring the hammer on any business involved, including the medicinal outlets. They can't find banks to business with.
  • Hickenlooper more or less said he has no idea how to deal with this law considering the Federal authority, and such sure as hell WILL NOT be a champion for the cause when the court challenges arise. Just watch, he will be spineless and seek out some bullshit compromise like de-criminalizing; which totally negates the whole regulate like alcohol idea.

Of course Romney was sure as fuck not going to step aside on this; but all you Democrats out there need to understand that with all that Federal government you keep voting for comes Federal authority as well. You cannot keep asking the government to do shit for you and not expect there to be a flip side of that coin; which is increased enforcement and reduced personal freedom.

The good news here is that this is a strong message that the states want a return of their rights, (via the voice/vote of the people not the sniveling little bitches we elect to represent us). Elections do have consequences. The era of old school conservatism is now over, an era of Progressivism is underway; but at the same time we are seeing the initial stages of the rise of Libertarianism. This was a Libertarian issue the whole time after all. I would urge all of you who are not total Progressive idealogues to consider participating with this emerging movement. I did. We need to have a new 2nd party anyway.
Edit to add: this is not a rant against Progressives, I much prefer them over what the old school GOP represented. I'm pretty sure Obama has no personal ill will against this, it is just that he is bound by oath to uphold the law as it stands. Of course I'm sure they will recognize this little ember of a states-rights movement and may decide to crush it quickly, time will tell.

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By Ben Brotelho
From Albany, NY
Nov 8, 2012
Epic free solo with a pack on
I think these measures in colorado and washington are going to be the motivation behind some powerful social unrest in this country. States want power over health and welfare issues as is their right under the constitution!

I really hope the dea will heed to these state rights and leave these businesses alone, but sadly its probably not going to happen.

If everyone could just sit around a fire and pass a peace pipe i'm sure all levels of government could learn to just chill out, man

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By David Barbour
From Denver
Nov 8, 2012
From what I've heard, feds have only been raiding operations that break state law. I see no reason why legal operations will have any trouble, unless the DEA decides to start enforcing federal law.

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By Ben Brotelho
From Albany, NY
Nov 8, 2012
Epic free solo with a pack on
that's incorrect...enforcing federal law is the DEA's sole responsibility.

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By Adam Stackhouse
Administrator
Nov 8, 2012
Courtright Reservoir, September 2013
Mike Lane wrote:
I'm pretty sure Obama has no personal ill will against this, it is just that he is bound by oath to uphold the law as it stands.


Good post until that statement. Obama and his cabinet have no interest in the constitution other than obliterating it.

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By Jake Jones
From Richmond, VA
Nov 8, 2012
Me and the offspring walking back to the car after a day of cragging.
The bottom line, unfortunately as others have stated, is that currently federal law trumps state law. I think whether or not the DEA busts you depends largely on how much federal income tax your dispensary pays and whether or not your growers operate with a sense of impunity or operate with some discretion.

Maybe the way around this is for more states to join in, and match or beat the kickback to Congressmen that the "for profit" prisons are contributing. Biggest bribe wins legislation. Anything can be legal with enough money behind it.

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By ErikaNW
Nov 8, 2012
Rapping off the Matron October, 2010
I don't smoke and don't really feel one way or the other about those who do (although I do hope people don't drive impaired - from any substance). I do think the medical MMJ was a huge joke (it is amazing how many 20-something's have medical issues requiring scripts, poor guys...) and am glad to see a more honest measure in place. People using for recreation - call it what it is. Control it and tax it like alcohol and stop spending so much money in the criminal justice system.

My concern is the marketing and the way shops set up - the sign spinners drive me crazy (personal pet peeve). Pharmacies (again, what a joke) and liquor stores don't find it necessary to clog up the sidewalks and street corners with this kind of advertising - maybe this measure will normalize it enough that it can be treated like any other business. Agree with Mike Lane about the challenges that are going to take place in terms of banking, etc for the business owners. Medical MMJ businesses have already had issues getting small business loans and banking due to the federal laws. It's not a simple issue.

There was a great story on NPR yesterday about what the impact would be if MMJ was legalized federally - mainly how hard it would hit the Mexican drug cartels. That would be a good thing, yes?

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