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By Morgan Patterson
Administrator
Feb 12, 2013
Stoked...

JLP wrote:
I'd rather Paypal an orphan in Nigeria for the British Throne.


bhahahaha


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By skinny legs and all
From Elizabethtown, Pennsylvania
Feb 12, 2013
Right Pile, Big Cottonwood Canyon, summer 2008.

Two weeks ago I paid a MP member for $7.00 of gear via paypal and we both assumed it would be for goods and services, not a gift. I paid an extra $0.73 and everything turned out peachy. Use paypal for how it is designed and buyers should offer to pay the fee or if the seller doesn't mind have them eat it (as they should in my opinion). Early last year I considered buying gear from the seller in question, ilclimberken, and I just did not feel right about it for whatever reason and decided against it.


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By Stich
From Colorado Springs, Colorado
Feb 12, 2013
Coffee after freezing our asses off near James Peak.

bernard wrote:
You have his address? Pay him a visit....and make it count


OK, I've had enough of this. Where does this guy live? We will ALL GO PAY HIM A VISIT TONIGHT.

www.facebook.com/CowboyKen

Chapin, Illinois.

Also on rc.com:

www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?username=ken21>>>


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By ben jammin
From Moab, UT
Feb 12, 2013
MLB

Dudes profile pic is a dude pissing on the Red Wings logo.

I say lynch him.


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By Coppolo
From Denver, CO
Feb 12, 2013
Sunrise in Stevens gulch

maybe he's dead


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By Bill Shubert
Feb 12, 2013
Me on Kamakaze 5.10a (Ozone)

Coppolo wrote:
maybe he's dead
That'll make the lynching a lot easier.


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By ellingwood
From Bailey, Colorado
Feb 12, 2013

Paul-B wrote:
Well, if you have this much info, even if paypal cannot do anything, it seems like the police might be able to help. You know his name, you have that he confirmed receiving your payment, and you have an email from the guy he actually traded the cams to confirming that he traded the cams to him. Also, since the guy that he traded the cams to seems cooperative, perhaps he would be able to provide the address that he shipped the cams too, since it was a trade. He may be hesitant about this, so getting police involved would lend some legitimacy. It was stupid to use gift, as someone pointed out earlier, it is screwing paypal for the service they are providing, and it puts you in this situation. I think there is still a chance that this guy is just a total slacker (perhaps I am judging him by his picture), and will get back to you soon (but I wouldnt hold my breath, contact the police). So you both paid gift and paid the paypal fee? If you pay gift you don't need to include anything for a paypal fee, he will not be charged. Regardless, gift is a bad idea, don't ever agree to it. I assume you have gotten that by now, sorry to harp on it. Last, your posts are PAINFUL to read, the worst grammar I have ever seen. I know this is the internet, I am not asking for graduate level writing, but if you are asking for help from others, at least proofread once.

Why in your sound mind, would you criticize some ones grammer that is obviously seeking some advice. Just remember JERK there is always sombody a hell of alot more educated, inteligent & compassionate then your lowly little self. Guys like you make want to puke. I wouldnt be surprised if your some punk colledge boy who is probably sitting on his ass looking for a job. Or better yet probably to lazy to work!


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By JVW
Feb 12, 2013

Bill Shubert wrote:
That'll make the lynching a lot easier.



+1


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By Paul-B
Feb 12, 2013
Flakes of Wrath

ellingwood wrote:
Why in your sound mind, would you criticize some ones grammer that is obviously seeking some advice. Just remember JERK there is always sombody a hell of alot more educated, inteligent & compassionate then your lowly little self. Guys like you make want to puke. I wouldnt be surprised if your some punk colledge boy who is probably sitting on his ass looking for a job. Or better yet probably to lazy to work!



WHOA! Ellingwood, chill the fuck out. I don't really feel the need to respond to your silly post. I kind of feel like critiquing your spelling of "colledge," "inteligent," "sombody," "some ones," and "grammer," and your use of "your" instead of "you're," but I won't. Your post was very presumptuous and hateful. My post was quite helpful, at the end I suggested he proofread. I suggest you do the same.

Oh and to instead of too. Probably a lot more jewels in there.


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By MJMobes
From The land of steady habits
Feb 12, 2013
modern man

J mac wrote:
Same goes for @hotmail.com or @aim.com. If its @comcast.net or any other internet provider they are probably at least 60 and won't email you back because they don't know how.


aol.com is the #1 worst, you point out the others right behind(great descriptions BTW) and then you have the ole yahoo accounts running a close third.

AOL is THE classic old man address


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By J mac
Feb 12, 2013
Zermatt

John Marsella wrote:
I totally get the @aol, @yahoo, etc, stereotype but I don't get how the large-ISP addresses get lumped in there too... Does one need their own domain to be a legitimate emailer? Or is there some new, hip email service that I'm missing out on? Please help, my @comcast is making me lame. [he says to the guy who has his own domain name lolz]



@gmail is just fine. (I only base the @comcast remark off of my parents)


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By Davis Stevenson
From Flagstaff, Arizona
Feb 12, 2013
Following up a new route out in the Mojave Desert.  Info coming soon maybe?  Fun 5.10 hands and fingers.

John Marsella wrote:
I totally get the @aol, @yahoo, etc, stereotype but I don't get how the large-ISP addresses get lumped in there too... Does one need their own domain to be a legitimate emailer? Or is there some new, hip email service that I'm missing out on? Please help, my @comcast is making me lame. [he says to the guy who has his own domain name lolz]


Trust me, you don't want your own domain unless you own our company's domain and can use that, too. I own my own domain and everyone is either sketched out by it, thinks it's fake, or immediately thinks it's spam.

My domain isn't even something stupid, it's more or less just my name.


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By Stich
From Colorado Springs, Colorado
Feb 12, 2013
Coffee after freezing our asses off near James Peak.

Who uses edu addresses? Just use gmail for chrissakes.

More incriminating pictures:


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By mcp
From tallahassee
Feb 12, 2013

i guess all the attention ilclimberken was getting was too much, he just refunded $85 to my paypal account. thanks to all of you that were trying to be helpful.


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By coop
From Glenwood Springs, CO
Feb 12, 2013
Indian Creek Climbing

3 pages of postings and we have a refund, yeah!


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By Mark Wyss
From Denver, CO
Feb 12, 2013
Mt. Baker

Glad you got your money back! People like that kill the buy/sell experience on MP. I have never had a problem with it...ever. The 'honor system' here on MP needs to stay in tact. Thanks for selling him out. Giving out all his info helped your cause for sure.


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By Unassigned User
Feb 13, 2013

Hey mcp I have got some shiny cams. 4 of them have I. 20 bucks a piece and there yours, oh and could you throw in 5 dollars to cover fees?
Kthanksbye!


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By David Appelhans
From Lafayette
Feb 13, 2013
Imaginate

Glad you got your money back. Maybe he is not all bad, just slow, dumb, and lazy.

For those of you that don't understand paypal fees:

If you don't link a bank account as a buyer you will pay fees to use paypal (that is why mcp paid $2.77).

If the buyer doesn't send the money as a personal transaction then the seller pays a fee. Since the fee only benefits the buyer, I and many other people who sell things on MP usually passed the fee onto the seller if the seller wants to do a protected paypal transfer.

When I am selling, I explain very carefully how the buyer should do it without the fee in an email when I agree on the price. If they are not ok with it, they can pay the fee or not make the deal.

If both parties are trustworthy then a personal transaction usually works out fine (has for me about 30 times). If something goes wrong, there is no paypal protection, and there is no calling the cops, because you already recorded your transaction as a gift. There is no getting the money from paypal, because you elected not to use their service (no free lunch).

I usually check out their profile to make sure that they are a real climber and legit member of the site, so they won't just disappear.

Like Eric Rhicard said, if you don't pay the fee, don't expect a refund from paypal.


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By dannl
Feb 13, 2013

Stich wrote:
Who uses edu addresses? Just use gmail for chrissakes. More incriminating pictures:


Dude's wearing a North Face jacket guys. Seems legit.


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By Brigette
From Vancouver, WA
Feb 13, 2013
At the anchors.

mcp wrote:
i guess all the attention ilclimberken was getting was too much, he just refunded $85 to my paypal account. thanks to all of you that were trying to be helpful.



Woohoo!


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By Stich
From Colorado Springs, Colorado
Feb 13, 2013
Coffee after freezing our asses off near James Peak.

mcp wrote:
i guess all the attention ilclimberken was getting was too much, he just refunded $85 to my paypal account. thanks to all of you that were trying to be helpful.




That's great. Now I want you to get a board and see what you can do out on those waves.

And for anyone out there thinking about ripping off someone here:


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By Jake Jones
From The Eastern Flatlands
Feb 13, 2013
Me and the offspring walking back to the car after a day of cragging.

ellingwood wrote:
Why in your sound mind, would you criticize some ones grammer that is obviously seeking some advice. Just remember JERK there is always sombody a hell of alot more educated, inteligent & compassionate then your lowly little self. Guys like you make want to puke. I wouldnt be surprised if your some punk colledge boy who is probably sitting on his ass looking for a job. Or better yet probably to lazy to work!


How about being too lazy to spell what is probably your goddamned native language correctly. You know, the one that you've probably been speaking and writing for the better part of two decades or more? I know, I know, twenty years of doing something every single day constantly while you're conscious is hardly enough time to master it. However, it's still not unreasonable at all to expect adults to spell words correctly. But hey, if you don't mind looking like your parents are siblings, maintain your current level of idiocy. There was nothing wrong with Paul's post. There is plenty wrong with yours.

Oh, and I'm glad your situation got resolved mcp. Learn a lesson from this.


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By johnthethird
Feb 13, 2013

mcp wrote:
i guess all the attention ilclimberken was getting was too much, he just refunded $85 to my paypal account. thanks to all of you that were trying to be helpful.



Was there any explanation to go with the refund? Or was he just stressed about getting called out here?


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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Feb 13, 2013
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "Alan Nelson's Bulging Belly" (5.10, X) on the Lost and Found Flatiron. Belayer is Mark Ruocco. Photo by Bill Wright, 10/06.

johnthethird wrote:
Was there any explanation to go with the refund? Or was he just stressed about getting called out here?


Does it matter?
The guy traded some cams to guy #2 after selling them to guy #1 and acknowledging it.
And took 2 weeks to fix it.
Not someone I would/could trust reagrdless, because I wouldn't be inclined to believe his story.
It's not like he was gone or hospitalized, he's continued to do business here and he's been logged on.


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By mcp
From tallahassee
Feb 13, 2013

hey jake, ellingwoods point was well taken,you on the other hand come off as hostle, infurring that pepole are lazy, their parents are siblings and goddam native langauge comments , some people have problems that are not caused by being lazy. Paul B comes off as being condescending. my apologes for the spelling


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