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By Dustin B
From Steamboat
May 27, 2012
It's always a party.

Yes, I pay Greg in beer, fine ipa's, so he will attack people on my behalf on MP forums. But i cannot control the non PC things he does, he is like one of those out of control, unleashed crag dogs we keep hearing about. if there are any other mercenaries out there looking for work, feel free to pm me.

Also, that ain't my dog. That's me. I need you to pull that photo please


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By Jay Samuelson
From Denver CO
May 27, 2012
sweet boulder

Hey Evan, I have a german sherpard/malamute mix that I take pretty much everywhere with me. When you have a sled-dog don't underestimate the amount of water they will need, it could easily be a gallon a day if you're at the crag all day in the heat. I've also stopped taking him to crags with no shade, there have been days i've done this and realized halfway through the day heat stroke was a real potential and packed up and left. And in mid-summer I often leave him at home in the air conditioned house instead of taking him out, it's really hard on him to be out in the heat all day. Also with a big dog like that think about the approach, there are many little steps and hops that seem like no big deal until you watch your 100lb dog eat shit trying to get up them.

The only additional training that may be necessary is if your dog whimpers, whines and barks at you while you are climbing. Break them of that shit if they do.


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By CJC
May 27, 2012

FrankPS wrote:
Avoid taking your dog out if it's over, say, 75 degrees. Doesn't sound that warm, but with the thick fur coat, you're asking for trouble.


ridiculous


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By Brian Scoggins
From Eugene, OR
May 27, 2012

Greg D wrote:
Great story. But to include the words "stick clip" makes you look super gay and loose all credibility. Dustin is a badass climber and sick dog owner.


Noted. My point was that I had a six foot pole with which to prosecute my response, and I think the owners of those dogs thought that I just didn't like dogs. We all have hot-head friends who are fixing for a fight. I don't typically climb with mine. I also have friends who carry guns at that crag in particular because the near-constant bear tracks/scat/sightings have left them a bit on edge.

I for one am awfully glad that the dogs picked a fight with a party disinterested in violence. It could've been a lot louder, bloodier, and otherwise far worse than it was. If you have an out-of-control dog, you're rolling the dice every time you go out that the dog doesn't get you into a fight that you can't win.


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By roger fritz from rockford, IL
May 27, 2012
Wichita Mountains, Sunshine Wall

Oh my oh my! This thread cracks me up. I especially like the monkey and dog/human photo's. Hilarious. My gut hurts from laughing!

It is worthy to be considerate of other people. I think I learned that in Kindergarten and am still trying to apply it! "That's all I got to say about that"!

3-more pages to go. Thought I would contribute!


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By rock_fencer
From Columbia, SC
May 27, 2012
Myself placing a a blue/yellow offset MC to protect between Bolt 2/3 just post crux . <br /> <br />Picture credit goes to eric Singleton, and many thanks to Josh Bagget for the great belay.

Evan Sanders wrote:
I can see everyone's point about not bringing a dog, especially to certain areas. Louis, that's some pretty solid advice. Thanks. However, for those that DO bring your dogs, have you had any issues with overheating them on hotter days? I'm especially concerned about that because of the amount of husky traits she has in her. I have a collapsible water bowl and there will be plenty of water for her but I'm wondering if that will be enough.



Just took my yellow lab to Hawksbill up in linville. Brought a full icy gallon up for her for the day. She sat around with my dad most of the day and still blew threw the gallon. Gave her my water. Temps hit low 80's with a gentle breeze.


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By MaddyM
From Edwards, CO
May 27, 2012

Just slip your dog some baby Benadryl so he naps the whole day.

Or leave it at home. Most dogs I've met at crags are not suited to be there. Some could have done well if they'd been trained and cared for while there.

But there's some climbers like that, too.


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By Evan Sanders
From Westminster, CO
May 27, 2012
Flaming Pumpkin

Jay Samuelson wrote:
Hey Evan, I have a german sherpard/malamute mix that I take pretty much everywhere with me. When you have a sled-dog don't underestimate the amount of water they will need, it could easily be a gallon a day if you're at the crag all day in the heat. I've also stopped taking him to crags with no shade, there have been days i've done this and realized halfway through the day heat stroke was a real potential and packed up and left. And in mid-summer I often leave him at home in the air conditioned house instead of taking him out, it's really hard on him to be out in the heat all day. Also with a big dog like that think about the approach, there are many little steps and hops that seem like no big deal until you watch your 100lb dog eat shit trying to get up them. The only additional training that may be necessary is if your dog whimpers, whines and barks at you while you are climbing. Break them of that shit if they do.


Great response, thanks. She's actually not as big as you might think (last time at the vet was 46 pounds, might be the elkhound in her). I've heard from a couple vets that sled dogs actually do better than you might think in the heat because of their double coat (I don't know how many times I've been told not to shave my dog, like i was going to do that anyway), is that not true or is it just exaggerated?

Hopefully this dog hate-fest ends soon, it's not where i intended for this thread to go.


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By CJC
May 27, 2012

don't shave your dog.


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By Elena Sera Jose
From colorado
May 27, 2012
bacon

CJC wrote:
don't shave your dog.

I disagree


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By Elena Sera Jose
From colorado
May 27, 2012
bacon

Elena Sera Jose wrote:
I disagree

I super close clipped my dogs for years and they were grateful for it. RIP.


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By Evan Sanders
From Westminster, CO
May 27, 2012
Flaming Pumpkin

CJC wrote:
don't shave your dog.


Didn't I already say that?


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By MaddyM
From Edwards, CO
May 27, 2012

I would agree that giving dogs a close clip for the summer is something they appreciate, having done it for all of the dogs I have had in my lifetime.


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By Bob Dobalina
May 27, 2012

I love my dog.
He would rather go along with me anywhere than to stay at home alone. He loves leading the way up the approach trails. He finds a shady spot and just chills out while we climb. He knows not to chew, dig, or bark. He doesn't run around bug others. He knows enough to not even step on the rope!
When other climbers and/or dogs come by, he meets them with friendly attitude and then lays back down near my gear. I have NEVER seen anyone have a problem with him. Ever.
I just got lucky I guess... Finding the ultimate crag dog at the animal shelter.

I have, however, encountered awful dogs and their shitty owners at crags too. So I understand why some folks on here are totally butt-hurt about dogs!


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By MountainManny
From Idaho Springs
May 27, 2012
One Trad Ass Motherfucker

My general rule is if my dog stops to poop...so do I, even if you are watching...then I graciously hand you an empty poop bag with an over-warming "thanks"..and if you happen to be someone he growls and barks at....then I too growl, bark, and on occasion bite.... Not everyone is a good person, right? ;)


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By Jay Samuelson
From Denver CO
May 27, 2012
sweet boulder

Hey Evan, I've heard that too from various sources. I think the double coat does help, but mine still gets really hot in the summer. He does have a mostly black coat though which doesn't help. As for shaving them, I shaved him once down to the second coat which is grey, and he stayed a lot cooler that summer; he loved it. I haven't done it since because his coat never grew back quite the same, although it did grow back pretty full. I am however probably going to do it again this year, he's older and the heat seems to be bothering him more as he ages.


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By Zappatista
May 28, 2012
Book me, officer.

I may be killing your credibility here, but that was a cogent, well-thought out, and logical screed that I agreed with wholeheartedly.

"People=Shit" -Slipknot

Jonhy Q wrote:
Over seven billion people strong and we are blaming the dogs for the problems we have with over crowing. Has anyone considered that owning dogs should be banned period? All they do is take more natural resources from the mouths of what could be more people, and we all know that people are good and dogs are bad. The theme of this thread is simple: people have rights to have fun in the nature but dogs do not have those rights, ever! At any time there can be people in the nature and because of this dogs should always be on a leash. Dogs ruin the experience of other climbers and hikers and since dogs do this, dogs should be removed from the situation. Why stop at climbing? Since so many of the posters on this site feel this way a dog ban should be made into law. When your dog eats it's organic food at your pre-fab suburban wanker house, small African children cry. Dogs create waste. They are annoying. Outside of hunting dogs that actually hunt, herding dogs that actually herd, and rescue dogs that live in cages, 99% of dogs have no purpose at all. Why do you keep your waste of a life at home? How does that make it ok to own what amounts to a waste of water, food, air and time? In this world we are all sharing a fixed amount of resources, and your dog is not a person so it is a waste of natural resources. Either this is true and all dogs should be put to sleep or it isn't true and the on-line bitching wank fest is simply old men venting anger over their own inadequacies. If dogs have a right to exist at all, then their right gives them the authority to be anywhere on this planet. You don't like dogs? I don't either. However, I also hate you and find your climbing party annoying. Your wife was squeaking like a scared dog when on top-rope. You expected me to fit my behavior to your expectations because you brought your snot nosed kid and he wouldn't shut up. Your dam kids leave their food out all the time and animals get into it. Your beta spray is not only wrong, but also annoying, and it makes me want to punch you in the face. There is nothing good about your company what so ever. At least dogs clean up the human shit problem facing the crags. Funny, you all seem to have problems with dogs but I know that the problem is really humans. The common denominator is people, not dogs. People who poorly train their dogs. People who don't train their dogs. People who don't care about what other people want. People who want a certain experience but get another. People who were taught from a young age to be self-entitled little twats and expect to have their way all the time. People who have very high expectations for others but very low expectations for themselves. 7 billion self righteous assholes and you all are blaming dogs for the problems at crags? That is amusing.


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By APBT1976
May 28, 2012
Black Dike 12/25/11

I agree in most cases peoples dogs are nothing more than a reflection of their owner. There is the exception to the rule with dogs just as with humans and disabled or mentally challenged.

I also agree strongly 99.9% of people are giant twats probably myself included. What else would it all be about if not our self ;)


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By CJC
May 28, 2012

MaddyM wrote:
I would agree that giving dogs a close clip for the summer is something they appreciate, having done it for all of the dogs I have had in my lifetime.

its ok if you don't have a husky or other breed of dog w a double coat. shaving a husky is stupid. thought everyone knew that.


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By FrankPS
From Atascadero, CA
May 28, 2012

CJC wrote:
its ok if you don't have a husky or other breed of dog w a double coat. shaving a husky is stupid. thought everyone knew that.


Tell us why it's "stupid." Everyone isn't as smart as you.


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By CJC
May 28, 2012

dogs don't sweat. they pant. so shaving them just makes YOU feel better. their skin is delicate so exposing it to sun can give them problems including sunburn or even cancer.

they need their fur. it insulates them from the sun and heat. just give them lots of water and shade and keep them well-groomed.

peace


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By Princess Mia
From Vail
May 28, 2012
Chillin' at City of Rocks

Please DO shave your dog. It makes it so much easier to prep for the BBQ. I can't stand dealing with the fur.

We are carnivores and hunters after all!!!!


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By Em Cos
From Boulder, CO
May 28, 2012

CJC wrote:
they need their fur. it insulates them from the sun and heat.


I'm not sure that makes any sense. If that's how it works, why don't we all wear down jackets all summer to insulate us FROM the sun and heat?

It's true panting helps dogs regulate their body temperature through respiratory evaporative heat loss, but that doesn't mean their tongue is the only factor in their body temperature. I'm pretty sure if you wrapped your dog in a comforter on a hot day, even with their head uncovered so they are free to pant, they will overheat faster than without the comforter.


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By BDergay
From Eldorado
May 28, 2012
Jayy-Dogg on rappel

The Larry wrote:
Some dogs are good crag dogs some aren't.


Ummmmm.... your dog is standing on the ROPE! WTF??!!! This is the PROBLEM OF DOG OWNERS AT THE CRAG!!!! THEY THINK THAT THEIR DOG IS GREAT...etc etc, foaming mouth etc etc....

Just kidding-- sweet looking healer!


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By Evan Sanders
From Westminster, CO
May 28, 2012
Flaming Pumpkin

Em Cos wrote:
I'm not sure that makes any sense. If that's how it works, why don't we all wear down jackets all summer to insulate us FROM the sun and heat?


See that was my thought, but what my vet said was think of it more like housing insulation in the summer time. Still doesn't make complete sense, but my vet knows better than I do about animals so I'll listen.


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