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May 27, 2012
Shucka Bra.
Yes, I pay Greg in beer, fine ipa's, so he will attack people on my behalf on MP forums. But i cannot control the non PC things he does, he is like one of those out of control, unleashed crag dogs we keep hearing about. if there are any other mercenaries out there looking for work, feel free to pm me.

Also, that ain't my dog. That's me. I need you to pull that photo please
Dustin B
From Steamboat
Joined Jan 29, 2006
1,516 points
May 27, 2012
sweet boulder
Hey Evan, I have a german sherpard/malamute mix that I take pretty much everywhere with me. When you have a sled-dog don't underestimate the amount of water they will need, it could easily be a gallon a day if you're at the crag all day in the heat. I've also stopped taking him to crags with no shade, there have been days i've done this and realized halfway through the day heat stroke was a real potential and packed up and left. And in mid-summer I often leave him at home in the air conditioned house instead of taking him out, it's really hard on him to be out in the heat all day. Also with a big dog like that think about the approach, there are many little steps and hops that seem like no big deal until you watch your 100lb dog eat shit trying to get up them.

The only additional training that may be necessary is if your dog whimpers, whines and barks at you while you are climbing. Break them of that shit if they do.
Jay Samuelson
From Denver CO
Joined Nov 8, 2006
2,077 points
May 27, 2012
Mashers Tower
FrankPS wrote:
Avoid taking your dog out if it's over, say, 75 degrees. Doesn't sound that warm, but with the thick fur coat, you're asking for trouble.


ridiculous
Cornelius Jefferson
Joined Apr 5, 2006
163 points
May 27, 2012
Greg D wrote:
Great story. But to include the words "stick clip" makes you look super gay and loose all credibility. Dustin is a badass climber and sick dog owner.


Noted. My point was that I had a six foot pole with which to prosecute my response, and I think the owners of those dogs thought that I just didn't like dogs. We all have hot-head friends who are fixing for a fight. I don't typically climb with mine. I also have friends who carry guns at that crag in particular because the near-constant bear tracks/scat/sightings have left them a bit on edge.

I for one am awfully glad that the dogs picked a fight with a party disinterested in violence. It could've been a lot louder, bloodier, and otherwise far worse than it was. If you have an out-of-control dog, you're rolling the dice every time you go out that the dog doesn't get you into a fight that you can't win.
Brian Scoggins
From Boise, ID
Joined Mar 12, 2002
1,088 points
May 27, 2012
Wichita Mountains, Sunshine Wall
Oh my oh my! This thread cracks me up. I especially like the monkey and dog/human photo's. Hilarious. My gut hurts from laughing!

It is worthy to be considerate of other people. I think I learned that in Kindergarten and am still trying to apply it! "That's all I got to say about that"!

3-more pages to go. Thought I would contribute!

roger fritz from rockford, IL
From Rockford, IL
Joined Aug 9, 2009
51 points
May 27, 2012
Myself placing a a blue/yellow offset MC to protec...
Evan Sanders wrote:
I can see everyone's point about not bringing a dog, especially to certain areas. Louis, that's some pretty solid advice. Thanks. However, for those that DO bring your dogs, have you had any issues with overheating them on hotter days? I'm especially concerned about that because of the amount of husky traits she has in her. I have a collapsible water bowl and there will be plenty of water for her but I'm wondering if that will be enough.



Just took my yellow lab to Hawksbill up in linville. Brought a full icy gallon up for her for the day. She sat around with my dad most of the day and still blew threw the gallon. Gave her my water. Temps hit low 80's with a gentle breeze.
rock_fencer
From Columbia, SC
Joined Dec 20, 2009
253 points
May 27, 2012
Just slip your dog some baby Benadryl so he naps the whole day.

Or leave it at home. Most dogs I've met at crags are not suited to be there. Some could have done well if they'd been trained and cared for while there.

But there's some climbers like that, too.
MaddyM
From Edwards, CO
Joined Jan 23, 2012
0 points
May 27, 2012
Flaming Pumpkin
Jay Samuelson wrote:
Hey Evan, I have a german sherpard/malamute mix that I take pretty much everywhere with me. When you have a sled-dog don't underestimate the amount of water they will need, it could easily be a gallon a day if you're at the crag all day in the heat. I've also stopped taking him to crags with no shade, there have been days i've done this and realized halfway through the day heat stroke was a real potential and packed up and left. And in mid-summer I often leave him at home in the air conditioned house instead of taking him out, it's really hard on him to be out in the heat all day. Also with a big dog like that think about the approach, there are many little steps and hops that seem like no big deal until you watch your 100lb dog eat shit trying to get up them. The only additional training that may be necessary is if your dog whimpers, whines and barks at you while you are climbing. Break them of that shit if they do.


Great response, thanks. She's actually not as big as you might think (last time at the vet was 46 pounds, might be the elkhound in her). I've heard from a couple vets that sled dogs actually do better than you might think in the heat because of their double coat (I don't know how many times I've been told not to shave my dog, like i was going to do that anyway), is that not true or is it just exaggerated?

Hopefully this dog hate-fest ends soon, it's not where i intended for this thread to go.
Evan Sanders
From Westminster, CO
Joined Dec 10, 2010
145 points
May 27, 2012
Mashers Tower
don't shave your dog. Cornelius Jefferson
Joined Apr 5, 2006
163 points
May 27, 2012
bacon
CJC wrote:
don't shave your dog.

I disagree
Elena Sera Jose
From colorado
Joined Mar 11, 2012
355 points
May 27, 2012
bacon
Elena Sera Jose wrote:
I disagree

I super close clipped my dogs for years and they were grateful for it. RIP.
Elena Sera Jose
From colorado
Joined Mar 11, 2012
355 points
May 27, 2012
Flaming Pumpkin
CJC wrote:
don't shave your dog.


Didn't I already say that?
Evan Sanders
From Westminster, CO
Joined Dec 10, 2010
145 points
May 27, 2012
I would agree that giving dogs a close clip for the summer is something they appreciate, having done it for all of the dogs I have had in my lifetime. MaddyM
From Edwards, CO
Joined Jan 23, 2012
0 points
May 27, 2012
I love my dog.
He would rather go along with me anywhere than to stay at home alone. He loves leading the way up the approach trails. He finds a shady spot and just chills out while we climb. He knows not to chew, dig, or bark. He doesn't run around bug others. He knows enough to not even step on the rope!
When other climbers and/or dogs come by, he meets them with friendly attitude and then lays back down near my gear. I have NEVER seen anyone have a problem with him. Ever.
I just got lucky I guess... Finding the ultimate crag dog at the animal shelter.

I have, however, encountered awful dogs and their shitty owners at crags too. So I understand why some folks on here are totally butt-hurt about dogs!
Bob Dobalina
Joined Jun 2, 2009
178 points
May 27, 2012
One Trad Ass Motherfucker
My general rule is if my dog stops to poop...so do I, even if you are watching...then I graciously hand you an empty poop bag with an over-warming "thanks"..and if you happen to be someone he growls and barks at....then I too growl, bark, and on occasion bite.... Not everyone is a good person, right? ;) MountainManny
From Idaho Springs
Joined Mar 20, 2012
1,335 points
May 27, 2012
sweet boulder
Hey Evan, I've heard that too from various sources. I think the double coat does help, but mine still gets really hot in the summer. He does have a mostly black coat though which doesn't help. As for shaving them, I shaved him once down to the second coat which is grey, and he stayed a lot cooler that summer; he loved it. I haven't done it since because his coat never grew back quite the same, although it did grow back pretty full. I am however probably going to do it again this year, he's older and the heat seems to be bothering him more as he ages. Jay Samuelson
From Denver CO
Joined Nov 8, 2006
2,077 points
May 28, 2012
Black Dike 12/25/11
I agree in most cases peoples dogs are nothing more than a reflection of their owner. There is the exception to the rule with dogs just as with humans and disabled or mentally challenged.

I also agree strongly 99.9% of people are giant twats probably myself included. What else would it all be about if not our self ;)
APBT1976
Joined Nov 8, 2011
281 points
May 28, 2012
Mashers Tower
MaddyM wrote:
I would agree that giving dogs a close clip for the summer is something they appreciate, having done it for all of the dogs I have had in my lifetime.

its ok if you don't have a husky or other breed of dog w a double coat. shaving a husky is stupid. thought everyone knew that.
Cornelius Jefferson
Joined Apr 5, 2006
163 points
May 28, 2012
CJC wrote:
its ok if you don't have a husky or other breed of dog w a double coat. shaving a husky is stupid. thought everyone knew that.


Tell us why it's "stupid." Everyone isn't as smart as you.
FrankPS
From Atascadero, CA
Joined Nov 19, 2009
127 points
May 28, 2012
Mashers Tower
dogs don't sweat. they pant. so shaving them just makes YOU feel better. their skin is delicate so exposing it to sun can give them problems including sunburn or even cancer.

they need their fur. it insulates them from the sun and heat. just give them lots of water and shade and keep them well-groomed.

peace
Cornelius Jefferson
Joined Apr 5, 2006
163 points
May 28, 2012
Chillin' at City of Rocks
Please DO shave your dog. It makes it so much easier to prep for the BBQ. I can't stand dealing with the fur.

We are carnivores and hunters after all!!!!
Princess Mia
From Vail
Joined May 22, 2006
422 points
May 28, 2012
CJC wrote:
they need their fur. it insulates them from the sun and heat.


I'm not sure that makes any sense. If that's how it works, why don't we all wear down jackets all summer to insulate us FROM the sun and heat?

It's true panting helps dogs regulate their body temperature through respiratory evaporative heat loss, but that doesn't mean their tongue is the only factor in their body temperature. I'm pretty sure if you wrapped your dog in a comforter on a hot day, even with their head uncovered so they are free to pant, they will overheat faster than without the comforter.
Em Cos
From Boulder, CO
Joined Apr 21, 2010
6 points
May 28, 2012
The Larry wrote:
Some dogs are good crag dogs some aren't.


Ummmmm.... your dog is standing on the ROPE! WTF??!!! This is the PROBLEM OF DOG OWNERS AT THE CRAG!!!! THEY THINK THAT THEIR DOG IS GREAT...etc etc, foaming mouth etc etc....

Just kidding-- sweet looking healer!
bdboulder
From Eldorado
Joined Oct 11, 2006
127 points
May 28, 2012
Flaming Pumpkin
Em Cos wrote:
I'm not sure that makes any sense. If that's how it works, why don't we all wear down jackets all summer to insulate us FROM the sun and heat?


See that was my thought, but what my vet said was think of it more like housing insulation in the summer time. Still doesn't make complete sense, but my vet knows better than I do about animals so I'll listen.
Evan Sanders
From Westminster, CO
Joined Dec 10, 2010
145 points
May 28, 2012
MattThomas wrote:
Pretty much this. Shockingly enough, people get way more butthurt on the internet about dogs at crags than they do in real life. Though I have heard of at least one fistfight taking place at the Red when some dick climber kicked another climber's dog.


Yeah because no one at the crag wants to speak up and say they dont like your dog. No one wants to look like a jerk in real life for saying your dog sucks so they bite their toungue and get to put up with YOUR dog pooping all over, walking across ropes and gear, eating our lunches... and my favorite is when an unleased dog decides to take a piss on someones pack.

Dogs at the crag are an imposition on EVERYONE else at the crag, its rather selfish of the dog owner(for the dog and everyone else there).
BurtMachlan
Joined May 21, 2012
6 points


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