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What do you think?? WIll this be the poor mans version of the TC Pro? or the same as the grandstones?? At least Evolv makes shoes in my size, and these are supposed to come in leather, if they ever come out.

have you tried testerosas?

Yes, but that's a different topic dummy.

no reason to start name-calling.

i saw a video of Honnold climbing Astroman WITH testarosas, smarty-pants, so there is validity to my question. i must have misunderstood the thread topic.

Poor man's TC Pros? More like TC Pros for people that don't have narrow euro feet.

My street shoe size is 10.5/11 depending on the shoe. While trying on TC Pros, the toe box didn't fit until I was in a 12.5 (or 12, I forget exactly, but at least >= 12) , at which point the ankles were ridiculously baggy.

I ended up with Grandstones, which would be 100% awesome...that is if Five Ten didn't give them such a humongous toe profile. Great all day route shoe...if the route doesn't require much in the way of finger size cracks.

So yeah, eagerly awaiting the PC Pros :)

man, evolv has perfected the art of making some fugly ass shoes...

Evolv says they will be out by the end of the month.

I have worn a pair of the Astroman's and they're a great shoe. By no means would I refer to them as a poor version of the TC Pro. Sportiva has the most expensive shoes on the market and being that Evolv is an American made shoe we pay less to purchase them in the states. If you were to buy Evolvs in Europe or elsewhere you would see a hike in their retail value as well.

With that being said, these have a comfortable fit and they fit a wider foot. They have a stiff midsole and smaller profile than the 5.10 Grandstone. Like the TC Pros, you will be hard pressed to get them into a thin crack.

I see these are hitting the e-tailers now. Any impressions on sizing ? Curious to know how stiff they are compared to the Acopa JB's and TC pro's.

Ive been climbing in the Astromans the past week. I wear an 11 - 11.5 street shoe and bought a 44.5. The 44 was too small. Its perfect for an all day shoe. They are a nice stiff shoe but very comfortable, slightly stiffer than the TC Pros. They have stretched about a 1/4 size so far. I just crank down on the laces a bit more then when they were new. My feet are average width and find the astromans are not too narrow and not too wide.

TC pros are wearing out, thinking about getting Astroman, but for now can't try on. Anyone used both Astro and TC pro and can comment on sizing? I called evolv but they were only marginally helpful. Seems like either 10 or 10.5 evolv sizing. I wear 42.5 TC pro.

Thanks

Fiveten came out with a high top Anasazi that looks pretty rad. fiveten.com/products/footwear-detail/10094-anasazi-hi-top

They are selling the Astroman on Zappos.com. If you are not sure of the size you can buy a few and return the ones that don't fit. Zappos offers free shipping on both orders and returns.

Curious to hear from anyone who has actually purchased and climbed on these things. What are they like?

Sizing reference: I wear the 10.5 in astroman's. Fit as close to your street shoe as possible. I wear a 10.5 in Acopa legends and Acopa jb's, 10's in anastazi's. 9.5 moccs. Also wear 43 in sportiva approach shoes and trail runners.

I bought a pair.

Love them.
I wanted a super stiff hightop.
I have mortons toe and couldn't the sizing right on the TC Pros.

I wear 12 street and bought 12 in astroman for an all day, flat-toed crack fit.

My review (after 8 pitches in lumpy):
- by far the stiffest shoe I've ever worn (my "tight" shoes are miuras)
they feel as stiff as the board lasted boreal ballet golds (another shoe I courted)

- they edge excellently all over the sole....but you definitely need to see the hold, you can't feel a thing.

-they smear well enough for me to not notice any difference from the miuras....I'm sure if you've worn supermocs these smear horribly.

-they are fantastic in the cracks. Smallest I've been in with them is tight hands. Where I really noticed the benefit of that stiffness most is in lumpy water grooves and incipient cracks. I could ratchet in a groove and feel really solid, like it was (almost) a splitter. These shoes almost made me feel like I was cheating.

-I haven't worn them in finger cracks, I don't think the toe profile is low enough. I'll try it and tell you all how much I flail.

-Durability is solid, the leather is really thick and the laces are set back from the toe so they don't get hammered jam after jam.

-The tongue....it lets in a lot of debris on walk offs.

I've never worn evolv rubber, I'm impressed with it. That being said, I am looking forward to wearing them out and having RocknResole put C4 on them.

OVERALL: A great all day trad/crack shoe alternative to the TC Pro. If the TC Pro last doesn't work for your foot shape, or you want to save 30 bucks, the astroman is a super comfy, super stiff, super durable winner.

While they are my least favorite high top I own I still really like them. They make a great comfy, stiff high top for all day moderates. They aren't as stiff as the JB's and are no where to close to having the soft technical abilities of the grandstones let alone the TC pros. Here is what I have and what I use them for. I wear a heigh probably 3/4 of the time I climb.

Approach/boot size is usually 9.5-10 for most brands.

T.C. Pro: size 41- fit for thin to medium socks. Best all around shoe I have ever climbed in, especially since i resoled them with XS grip. This is my go to and by far most worn shoe.

J.B: size 42- fit for no sock. Stiffest shoe I own. Obviously my go to wide and off width shoe.

Grandstones: size 41- fit for no to med sock. My TC pros have been resoled and are getting low so I've been using these place of them as my all around shoe. They are stiff enough for wider stuff yet far softer and more technical than the AM.

Atromans: size 42.5- fit for med to thick socks. Normally I won't fit a climbing shoe this big but the seam in the toe box was bugging the fuck out of me and there is no way I could climb comfortably in these without a sock on. I don't mind because I do a lot of desert/crack climbing in the winter and socks add warm and padding. These will probably be my primary winter creek shoe because they do awesome on rattley fingers to off width, they are fitted for socks and I dont mind wearing them out. All in all a good stiff high top for all day and doing laps. If your looking for an all around shoe, there is nothing I have climbed in that compares to the TC pro. If you want a great stiff shoe with ankle support, dig around and find some JB's. Between the grandstones and the Atromans I choose the grandstones 9 out of 10 times because they are softer but still stiff enough to edge great and give you a plank to stand on in wide stuff.

Edit.
Approach/boot- 9.5-10
TC pro-8.5 with no to med
JB-9 with no sock
GS-8 with no or thin sock
AM-9.5 with med to thick sock

i have only seen one person's opinion about the rubber, what do the rest of you think of the Evolv rubber?

Well, I don't have the Evolv Astroman's, but a buddy of mine swears by the evolv rubber and I have two pairs of shoes that need to be resoled + their "Yosemite Bum Resole" is cheaper than the other resolers I use and have a faster turnaround time. Just hoping it is as good as the Five Ten rubber I have been using.

Just tried a pair on at bentgate in a 12. All around much better fit and a lot more comfortable than the TC pros I bought from them last week in a 46. Returned the TC pros and kept the Evolv's. Taking them to red rocks for a week next week, if I remember I'll make a write up.

Comparing them they look and feel like they're a lot better made, the sole is WAY thicker which I'm sure will remove some sensitivity but I didn't think TC pros were very good in that category either. The toe box is wider, therefore a lot more comfortable. I wear a 12 in street shoes and also have a slight mortons toes for anyone else looking. I can definitely see getting them resoled with some stealth rubber but we'll see how the evolv stuff does.