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By KDog
Apr 22, 2013
Apologies if this has recently been asked, but does anyone know about access issues to Enchanted Tower area? I've never been, and from what I can tell (on the main page) is that the road might be closed. Does this mean there's basically no access to this area? Can you walk there, or is there an alternative way?

We were considering driving down there this weekend but obviously don't want to bother if you can't even get to the climbing.

Thanks!!

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By Red
From Arizona
Apr 22, 2013
Cobra Kai
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I used the search tool in the upper right side of the screen and found these five separate threads all on the first page of results. I searched "Enchanted Tower".

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By KDog
Apr 23, 2013
The 1st link is the only one from 2013.....but thanks for the input.

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By KDog
Apr 23, 2013
I figured ;-))

It's all good!

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By Brian Prince
From morro bay, ca
Apr 23, 2013
The Seward Highway is really beautiful.
I don't know about the standard road being open, but It's my understanding that the back/alternative road is usually always open. It's slow going but it'll get you there. High clearance is nice but not necessary. Type in Davenport lookout in google maps. The drive takes you to the lookout and then down into the valley(s).

I've also heard of being able to park right off the 60 on the same road used for the Davenport approach and hike up and over. Supposedly this is faster than driving the back road, but there is no trail. I also think one would need a pretty good sense of the land to know what specific direction to head.

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By Brian Prince
From morro bay, ca
Apr 23, 2013
The Seward Highway is really beautiful.
Is it illegal? My bad. I've been told to go that way by Socorro locals, if that makes any difference at all.

Edit: oh, so just the hike in way would be illegal? Didn't realize you'd have to cross private property. i've never done it. Again, though, i was also given that advice by a socorro local. But ok, I guess don't hike in. A better attitude would be cooler though, David. Just sayin. But you probably don't want anyone going there so I suppose you're right being so defensive.

And is the access sketchy besides the main drive in approach? I'm aware of the poo problem and definitely preach to pack it out, but is that threatening access?

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By Brian Prince
From morro bay, ca
Apr 23, 2013
The Seward Highway is really beautiful.
Ok, point taken. I should have realized.

But for clarification, the Devenport road is all legal? If i remember it goes through some cattle guards/open ranches. And that strange academy.

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By KDog
Apr 23, 2013
Maybe I'll save it for another weekend......seems a bit...complicated ;-))

But I appreciate the efforts you guys!

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By Red
From Arizona
Apr 23, 2013
Cobra Kai
David Sahalie wrote:
Don't take it personal Kbird, Arizonians like Red get territorial about ET even though it is in another state.

Not even remotely close to being true. I'm just amazed at how many new threads get created for the same old topic. My only intention was to show Kbird and others how easy it sometimes can be to find the answer to your questions.

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By Red
From Arizona
Apr 23, 2013
Cobra Kai
Brian Prince wrote:
A better attitude would be cooler though, David.

He can be quite crotchety. He breaks Guideline #1 regularly. I've seen, "This post violated Rule #1. It has been removed by Mountain Project" next to his name more than any other user on MP.

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By Red
From Arizona
Apr 23, 2013
Cobra Kai
Kbird wrote:
Maybe I'll save it for another weekend......seems a bit...complicated ;-)) But I appreciate the efforts you guys!

What vehicle would you be taking? The longer dirt road is not that bad. Though I wouldn't recommend it, my buddy drove his honda civic in and out of ET on this road last year. Anything with more clearance than a civic should do just fine. Unless for some reason the road has gotten considerably worse in the last 9 months or so.

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By Senior Hernandez
Apr 23, 2013
on the trip
LOL

This place is s shit show, even with the gate closed it is still getting trashed. Of course, that is what you get when you have an area with super soft grades and climbs that require little to no technique. This type of thoughtless climbing is appealing to thoughtless climbers, who most oftentimes are new to climbing and learned how to climb in the gym.

The person who has been long term leasing the property that access Thompson canyon hates all visitors, especially RV's and hunters, and is trying to permanently close the gate.

Let's help out this generous man by parking on the side of the road and jumping his fence. Maybe he will shoot one of us and then get sent to jail:


access issue solved.

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By KDog
Apr 23, 2013
"This type of thoughtless climbing is appealing to thoughtless climbers, who most oftentimes are new to climbing and learned how to climb in the gym."

Wow, thanks for reminding me why I never post on these forums. That is quite a bold statement! I'm neither a thoughtless climber, nor am I a newbie, etc... So....thanks for the input? Good day!

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By Senior Hernandez
Apr 23, 2013
on the trip
Kbird wrote:
"This type of thoughtless climbing is appealing to thoughtless climbers, who most oftentimes are new to climbing and learned how to climb in the gym." Wow, thanks for reminding me why I never post on these forums. That is quite a bold statement! I'm neither a thoughtless climber, nor am I a newbie, etc... So....thanks for the input? Good day!


Calm down sicky K-bird, why are you so offended? I never said that you were any of these things, yet you chose to internalize my comments, which would lead any psychologist to wonder WTF??? Hell, they weren't even directed at you, but good on you for producing a spectacle that we all might enjoy.

If the shoe fits wear it, if not, why should you care about others shoes?


David Sahalie wrote:
Accoring to Googleearth, you cross private property and are probably parking illegally as well. If the locals jump the fence and keep it word of mouth, that is one thing. Posting it nationally is another.



To be honest lil troll, I think the parking is actually legal, it's when you jump the fence you get the gun.

Either way, it gets the gun.



But seriously, just park on the side of the road, jump the private fence, and see just how wild this west really is.

We need a martyr.

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By Alex McIntyre
From Tucson, AZ
Apr 23, 2013
In the traverse section, double rainbow in the bac...
Why does any talk about this cool little area always get everyone so buttmad? It's absurd.

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By bruno-cx
Apr 24, 2013
shirtless wonder
I'd argue the El Rito is in second place for a NM destination crag due the soft grades... Always see UT and CO plates mixed in with NM plates.

Check out the tunnel or last chance canyon, both have great climbing, IMO better than the tower if you are looking for place in NM to climb at without access issues.

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By Glenn Schuler
From Monument, Co.
Apr 24, 2013
A grey fox skull wedged in a crack 100' up on a FA...
bruno-cx wrote:
I'd argue the El Rito is in second place for a NM destination crag due the soft grades...


Yea, I'm sure it has nothing to do with the good/free camping, fun & well protected climbing on unique rock etc. :/

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By Senior Hernandez
Apr 24, 2013
on the trip
David Sahalie wrote:
It was posted on MP by the AF that the gate was open, so more people, mostly from out of state, began coming and ignoring the rules. Warnings were given by the rancher and the gate was shut on and off. At the camping, poo and TP is everywhere. Finally, after reports of an AZ Prius parked in the rancher's turn-around for his truck and trailers by the gate and people repeatedly driving in with their high beams on, shining directly into the house at 9pm, they got sick of it and locked it for good. ?



Hmmm


Population of NM: 2 million

Population of Phoenix: 1.5 million

Population of Arizona: 6.5 million

So there are almost as many people living in one city in AZ as the entire state of NM? Yes.

Population leaves impacts, the fact the AZ population is three times larger than NM is only important when you realize that NM crag receives three times less funding than it's Arizona's relative.

This is why our access is constantly jeopardized in NM. NM crag is weak and underfunded, among other problems. We have almost as many visiting tourists as locals, and tourists don't usually donate to local funds. Furthermore, the Access Fund selectively cares about various crags, but if the crag is located outside of the South East or CO they usually receive less attention. The AF have turned a blind eye to the last couple of crag closures here, it's sad.

So, are people still wondering why there is resentment of this crag closure?

I am over it for sure, but I also understand it.

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