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Ha ha ha, this thread is a hoot! I swear if people had to log in to MP with their real names it would eliminate about 99% of this flaming. Only the true nuts who are willing to meet face to face and duke it out over their beliefs would post flame. Take a look at what you've posted and think about what you might say or not say if you had to log in under your real name and you'll know if you belong in the Internet Coward Club.

EJ is a living legend in Eldo. I defy you to find anyone that's logged more miles and done more routes there. Also a great guy and someone you definitely want to be in the vicinity if you ever need a rescue. EJ is the kind of guy that if he comes across an old lady pinned by a car he just picks the damn car up and moves it. He could damn sure carry your fat broken legged ass out of Eldo if needed. If you don't know that you're not dialed in enough to this environment to be able to make judgements. As far as I'm concerned EJ can leave ropes hanging like tinsel on a Christmas tree all over Eldo if he wants.
Russell Holcomb
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Sep 30, 2012
Colonel Mustard wrote:
If you believe that, you'll love this new moisturizer I'm selling. The dispenser is shaped exactly like my dick.


No difference.
Something left unattended, outdoors on public land by a climber who intends to return and retrieve it, fully expecting it to be there when he returns, which is then stolen by another climber.

No use for a miniaturized dispenser.
Dale Evans
Joined Sep 19, 2012
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Sep 30, 2012
Mashers Tower
this thread just got stupid Cornelius Jefferson
Joined Apr 5, 2006
163 points
Sep 30, 2012
Although I do not agree with leaving fixed lines in Eldo, I do think EDj should get his gear back. I also think Dale Evans is either a young lad or just not very intelligent if he truely thinks there is no difference between the 2 acts.

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Sep 30, 2012
Colonel Mustard
Dale Evans wrote:
No difference. Something left unattended, outdoors on public land by a climber who intends to return and retrieve it, fully expecting it to be there when he returns, which is then stolen by another climber. No use for a miniaturized dispenser.


Thanks for elucidating your thinking, but nope. Wrong ballpark. Please keep trying to come up with a valid argument though.
Colonel Mustard
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Oct 3, 2012
Both acts involve taking something that is not yours.
Why is the theft of the rope more acceptable than the theft of the backpack?
Dale Evans
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Oct 3, 2012
Colonel Mustard
Dale Evans wrote:
Both acts involve taking something that is not yours. Why the theft of the rope more acceptable than the theft of the backpack?


If you leave your backpack out indefinitely like trash too, then there's no difference there either. Leaving your crap lying around in a wilderness area for extended lengths of time makes the area and climbers look like shit.

Do I believe there are caveats for development? Sure. But erring on the side of minimum eyesore is probably wisest, as is stashing your development gear where it can't be seen/stolen by the riff-raff.

If you want to leave your stuff lying around to test the honor system amongst the lowest common denominator out there, it's your rope/backpack, not mine. And then you can pathetically argue ethics online while somebody else plays with your gear.
Colonel Mustard
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Oct 3, 2012
Mashers Tower
col mustard

with the burn

in the fixed rope thread
Cornelius Jefferson
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Oct 3, 2012
So the length of time is what makes one theft more acceptable than the other. Dale Evans
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Oct 3, 2012
Colonel Mustard
Dale Evans wrote:
So the length of time is what makes one theft more acceptable than the other.


You know Dale, I can't really help you any further. Why don't you do the heavy lifting and figure out why leaving your stuff out and expecting it back like an entitled idiot is the ethically superior stance, I don't really care enough.
Colonel Mustard
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Oct 10, 2012
Flakes of Wrath
Dale, since your having a hard time with this concept I suggest you refer to page 2 of this forum where another poster cites the park rule as not abandoning gear for more than 24 hours. In addition to basic common sense you now have a delineated time point that one must cross before you should consider taking their gear.

Great thread. Entertained me for a solid 20 minutes
Paul-B
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Oct 11, 2012
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Russell Holcomb wrote:
Ha ha ha, this thread is a hoot! I swear if people had to log in to MP with their real names it would eliminate about 99% of this flaming. Only the true nuts who are willing to meet face to face and duke it out over their beliefs would post flame. Take a look at what you've posted and think about what you might say or not say if you had to log in under your real name and you'll know if you belong in the Internet Coward Club.


Ha!

+1
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