By Scott McMahon From Boulder, CO Feb 14, 2010
| Kyle Wills wrote: The few times that I have packed a couple of cold ones along I received nothing but jealous remarks of belay stance enhancement. +1...there is no greater envy than from the man that doth not have a frothy cold one on a hot day. Kicked myself in the butt many times over not bringing the mini-cooler. |  FLAG |
By Andrew James C From Portland, OR Feb 14, 2010
| I would like to add that the full joy of drinking while climbing comes in a can Dales Pale-Ale. |  FLAG |
By Marc-Andre From Squamish, B.C Feb 14, 2010
| A quote from one of my local climbing champs Will Stanhope on the subject. In this quote he is referring to sending the East Face of Monkey Face wihtout clipping the bolts, 5.13d R. "At first, the route felt impossible. Powerful, painful, and hopelessly long. Charlie and I ended up bringing at least 5 PBRs for every session. After one attempt my fingers would be bleeding and I'd need a little pain relief to give it a second burn. A couple low buzz American beers did the trick." |  FLAG |
By Robin Leopold From Denver, CO Feb 14, 2010
| Drinking while climbing/belaying is something I've never understood. It's an activity where you literally have someone else's life on the line. Look at other activities where you are trusting other people with your life, and vice versa, driving and marksmanship (This is a reference, and I will not respond to and pro-gun or anti-gun trolling). Drinking and driving is generally frowned upon, for obvious reasons. Any professional shooting range will not allow any alcohol on the firing line; if there is a bar at the facility, one drink makes the range of limits; and the range master will remove people who are intoxicated (I have never seen this happen, because people who go to professional ranges take this as common sense, although if you go to a public place, all bets are off. I've been to a public range once, and had about 10 weapons pointed at my face by inattentive people. Never again.). Anyways, I guess one could argue that climbing while drinking is okay if you partner is aware of it or participating in drinking, as well. You're only risking your own lives, right? If you crater, its your own fault, so who cares? Well, the people who care are the RMR, YOSAR or whomever needs to pull your injured self/corpse off the mountain. Or worse, say you place bad gear and pull a block off a wall in Eldo, and it hits the party below you. Better hope the BoCo fuzz doesn't smell PBR on your breath when you finally get off the cliff. And you better have a good attorney. Just save it for after the climb and take the time to savor it. What's wrong with that? |  FLAG |
By Woodchuck ATC Feb 14, 2010
| Cota wrote: Dude, get over yourself....if I want a beer, I will have one. What is so wrong about kids seeing me drink a beer. I'm not getting hammered out there. You want to say something to me about it, go ahead, I will laugh in your face. I am sick of all the rule followers out there trying to turn this into some yuppy mainstream sport. It didnt start out that way, and I will not conform to your set of rules...people I climb with also smoke pot, solo, and generally fuck around and have fun...I even heard someone cuss the other day! oh the horror of it all, and on Sunday, the lords day too. Looks like I better get my ass in to church, Pray for me! I guess it's that idea of the sport is dangerous and we need to be sharp of mind to belay, so drinking during the sport is poor example. Like drinking and driving...sure we all know our limit and can handle it, but don't dare get caught having an unexpected accident lest we lose our license. Would hate the drinking to ruin access too. Our local crag got shut down back in early 80's cuz drunk kids with coolers of beer at Prom time would show up and fall off the cliffs in the dark. Thus, it was cliff related, a 'climbing' accident so all access to cliff was forbidden. That logic sucked,but it happens. Just use care so nothing goes bad for anyone's experience. |  FLAG |
By CJC Feb 14, 2010
| Robin Leopold wrote: If you crater, its your own fault, so who cares? Well, the people who care are the RMR, YOSAR or whomever needs to pull your injured self/corpse off the mountain. Or worse, say you place bad gear and pull a block off a wall in Eldo, and it hits the party below you. Better hope the BoCo fuzz doesn't smell PBR on your breath when you finally get off the cliff. And you better have a good attorney. lol this is a joke right? please provide a single example that someone was cited or sued for drinking while climbing |  FLAG |
By Robin Leopold From Denver, CO Feb 14, 2010
| clackmon wrote: lol this is a joke right? please provide a single example that someone was cited or sued for drinking while climbing It's right here: dictionary.reference.com/browse/hypothetical hy⋅po⋅thet⋅i⋅cal –noun 5. a hypothetical situation, instance, etc. |  FLAG |
By Paul Irby From moab, ut Feb 14, 2010
| beer is for p******. sour mash and lots of it if you want to send! I always climb and belay better when i'm stumbling. yeah and please say something to me about responsibility when i'm wasted. better yet, go play golf. |  FLAG |
By Marc H From Lafayette, CO Feb 15, 2010
| Robin Leopold wrote: It's right here: dictionary.reference.com/browse/hypothetical hy⋅po⋅thet⋅i⋅cal –noun 5. a hypothetical situation, instance, etc. Hypothetically speaking, wearing a helmet while you're driving might save your life one day. Please let us know if/how that works out for you.
Robin Leopold wrote: Just save it for after the climb and take the time to savor it. What's wrong with that? "What's wrong with that," is that you're trying to dictate how and where people enjoy their alcohol, and even worse--their climbing! To the OP: It completely depends on the circumstances. I firmly believe that if you teach your children that alcohol is a forbidden (or pedestal-worthy) beverage, you're more likely to create a "problem drinker," especially in the teenage years and early twenties; but if they're educated about the risks and benefits associated with it, they're much more likely to moderate it. I don't have kids (so my opinion may mean nothing to you), but I have worked a bunch of "hoods in the woods" programs. --Marc |  FLAG |
By BDergay From Eldorado Feb 15, 2010
| Oh hell... I hope he didn't spill his beer! |  FLAG |
By Woodchuck ATC Feb 15, 2010
| Hey 'The Larry, thanks for the PBR. Nothing beats some PBR after a climb, that's for sure. ...and maybe while on belay too, or have one in that oversized chalkbag on route....yeahh,,,PBR is good. |  FLAG |
By Robin Leopold From Denver, CO Feb 15, 2010
| Marc H wrote: Hypothetically speaking, wearing a helmet while you're driving might save your life one day. Please let us know if/how that works out for you. This is beyond hypothesis. Or do you think that F1, NASCAR and NHRA drivers wear helmets because it makes them go faster? |  FLAG |
By J mac Feb 15, 2010
| There's a big difference between a beer or two and climbing or belaying and getting drunk and belaying or climbing just like there is a big difference between a beer or two and driving and drunk driving. I have no problem with a beer or two at the crag but climbing or belaying while intoxicated is just stupid. period. If a drunk belayer were to drop a climber they should be prosecuted just like a drunk driver who kills someone. |  FLAG |
By David Appelhans From Lafayette Feb 15, 2010
| I brew my own beer in old Gatorade bottles so I can take it with me climbing. Having a refreshing drink and leading some sport climbs is fun and relaxing. Next you are going to tell me I'm not allowed to skip bolts. Drinking water is great for maximum performance on that runout route at your limit. People are usually drinking when climbing comfortable routes and not worrying about hydration to climb a couple pitches with a 30 minute approach. Don't hate and don't tell other people what to do when it is not affecting you. |  FLAG |
By Adam Stackhouse Administrator Feb 15, 2010
| jmac wrote: If a drunk belayer were to drop a climber they should be prosecuted just like a drunk driver who kills someone. WOWSERS! You should run for a DA position! |  FLAG |
By YDPL8S From Santa Monica, Ca. Feb 15, 2010
| I Never drink (much) when climbing, did it plenty of times bouldering, and had quite a few stiches on a barked shin once, owing to the balt and marley (hic!) Now smoking while climbing, that deserves a whole nuther thread. In my mind, climbing and the mean green go together like bread and butter. But then I'm an old trad hippie anyway. If I could just get that Dr. to give me a prescription for my "sewing machine" leg.......... |  FLAG |
By Colonel Mustard From Reno, NV Feb 15, 2010
| Pre, post, during, beer is a wonderful additive to a climbing day. Kids, however, are largely a nuisance at the crag. If my loud mouthed, irresponsible drunkenness discourages you from infesting my climbing area with those little cragroaches, then my work is complete. |  FLAG |
By Crag Dweller From Denver, CO Feb 15, 2010
| M Lindfors wrote: ...I am trying to teach my kids good climbing practices and keep seeing examples of what to NEVER do...even he knew the dude was stupid and wanted to grab the brake side to make sure the climber didn't die. Don't rely on others at the crag to act as good role models. You're always going to see examples of what not to do regardless of whether or not alcohol is involved. Use them as teaching opportunities. Besides, it sounds like your kid is picking up the good habits. |  FLAG |
By Paul Irby From moab, ut Feb 15, 2010
| 99% of those bolts you like to clip were drilled by someone under the influence of something. |  FLAG |
By mcarizona From Flag Feb 15, 2010
| GeorgeKennedy said: "Meanwhile, I'll have another." |  FLAG |
By Wayne Crill From an Altered State Feb 15, 2010
| Zeke wrote: Pre, post, during, beer is a wonderful additive to a climbing day. Kids, however, are largely a nuisance at the crag. If my loud mouthed, irresponsible drunkenness discourages you from infesting my climbing area with those little cragroaches, then my work is complete. Lets see, how do the message bored kids express their support...? + 1 more Hendricks & cucumber martini ... and who's up for some climbing? I got one leg, two hands, and a mostly full bottle of gin... |  FLAG |
By Bryan Gall From New Castle, CO Feb 15, 2010
| Paul Irby wrote: 99% of those bolts you like to clip were drilled by someone under the influence of something. Enjoy a six pack, a bag a bolts, and 36 volts of irresponsibility. Nothing cuts through the rock dust like cold Milwaukee tap water. |  FLAG |
By Marc H From Lafayette, CO Feb 15, 2010
| I wasn't talking about the people driving 180 mph inches from one another; I was refer to you, driving down the highway at 80 mph. Do you wear a helmet while you drive? That would surely clear this up if so. --Marc |  FLAG |
By Woodchuck ATC Feb 15, 2010
| mcarizona wrote: GeorgeKennedy said: "Meanwhile, I'll have another." ....and he wasn't dumb enough to haul it up that cliff either..he had John do it. A lesson to be learned; always have your noob' haul the beer load. |  FLAG |
By Heather Haynes Feb 15, 2010
| a gigantic THANK YOU is a must to you all.... this post brings new meaning to the phrase LOL.....maybe FOOMCLOL (fall out of my chair laugh out loud!) and btw I belay quite well with a beer in hand :) I happen to be an amazing multi-tasker with important matters in hand...yes... pun intended safety first, fun always...what else is the point of being alive????? |  FLAG |
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