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By Tyler Wick
From Campbell, CA
Feb 19, 2012
ECM

How terrible is it to get out of downtown San Francisco headed toward Yosemite on a Friday afternoon?

I'm considering a move from San Diego where I have a relatively easy escape to get to the Sierras on Friday afternoons.

Is South bay a better option for a weekend warrior who likes to get to the mountains?


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By Stephan Doyle
Feb 19, 2012

Friday afternoon traffic around the Bay is wretched.

Ideally, you could get east and get out of this traffic nightmare as quickly as possible. South Bay isn't much better.


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By bergbryce
From South Lake Tahoe, CA
Feb 19, 2012

South Bay is considerably worse. The northbound traffic on 680 is terrible. I recall waiting hours for partners who were supposed to meet me Friday evening coming from South Bay.
When I lived in the East Bay I never bothered trying to leave before 7:30 or so. I tried it a couple times and you end up getting to your bivy site at the same time leaving at 6 than if you leave at 7:30 or 8.

The nice thing about leaving at 8 is that it's almost always smooth sailing, but it's late as hell.
I believe the key for "beating" traffic out of the Bay is getting east of Livermore before a certain time (probably by 4:00 and you'd be good). Coming from the East Bay is easier because you aren't dealing with the Bay Bridge which will be the first choke point leaving on a Friday, from the City. After that you have to get past the 580/680 junction and then Livermore which for some odd reason always seems to have terrible traffic.


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By Colin Simon
From Boulder, CO
Feb 21, 2012
Just below Thunderbolt Peak

East Bay may be a better option. Sorta ghetto though.

Berkeley does have a climbing population...


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By caughtinside
From Oakland CA
Feb 21, 2012

Both are impossible between 3 and 7 pm. Leave early or late.


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By fossana
From Eldorado Springs, CO
Feb 21, 2012
Zion chossy peak traversing

Colin Simon wrote:
East Bay may be a better option. Sorta ghetto though. Berkeley does have a climbing population...


I would hardly call many of the E Bay neighborhoods "ghetto". If I moved back to the Bay I would choose the E Bay for ease of access to local outdoor activities and closer proximity to the mountains. With BART it's easy to access SF when you need a city fix.


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By J. Albers
From Colorado
Feb 21, 2012
Bucky

Colin Simon wrote:
East Bay may be a better option. Sorta ghetto though.


Ghetto? Perhaps you need to leave your gated community more often.

East Bay is really nice and definitely my preferred area to live in the Bay Area. When I am leaving from someone's house in Berkeley, I rarely have a problem leaving town on Friday nights. When leaving at 7-8pm, you can take MLK to I-580 and be camping up Sonora Pass or near the Valley in 3-4 hours with minimal traffic. Just don't head for Tahoe during rush hour like all the other sheep and life is just fine.


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By JCM
From Golden, CO
Feb 21, 2012

As stated earlier, East Bay has the best positioning for getting out of the city on a Friday. Characterizing the entire East bay as being "kind of ghetto" is too broad of a brush to paint with. Sure, Oakland has some ghetto areas, and Fremont/Hayward are a wasteland. Berkeley, though, is a great place to live, with beautiful old neighborhoods, good food, and a really unique culture (which may annoy some people, but I like it there). If I were to move back to the Bay Area, I would probably choose to live in Berkeley.

I also think that Berkeley has the best climate in the Bay Area. It is remarkable how much micro-variety there is around the Bay; moving two zip codes in any direction seems to produce a totally different climate. Berkeley is nice because it gets a little bit of the fog, but not too much. This is a nice compromise, for my preferences, between SF (too cold/foggy) and the South Bay (hot/sunny).

With regard to SF vs. South Bay, I would choose SF in a second; this has nothing to do with the climbing access (neither of them is great for climbing access). SF has one of the most interesting and vibrant urban cultures in the US, while the South Bay is pretty dull. In the South Bay, it seems to me that it is either (A) Kind of Ghetto, or (B) White-bread affluent suburbia with too many engineers. People are more interesting in SF.


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By bergbryce
From South Lake Tahoe, CA
Feb 21, 2012

Berkeley is expensive when compared to North Oakland which is even more bike friendly, has a good crop of restaurants, is easier to get onto the freeway (24 to 580) and you can get 2-3x more housing for the same price in Berkeley. The weather in Temescal is noticeably more pleasant than Berkeley too. I used to bike commute from Oakland and rather regularly, a ride that started out sunny at home turned to overcast by Alcatraz and falling precip by the time I arrived in downtown Berkeley.
Another problem with Berkeley is that there aren't many people roughly aged 26-45. People are either very young, or older. There isn't much in-between. YMMV. You can easily live in Oakland and still take advantage of the things Berkeley has to offer. That worked out well for me.


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By fossana
From Eldorado Springs, CO
Feb 21, 2012
Zion chossy peak traversing

+1 on the Temescal neighborhood (where I used to live)

- great restaurants/bars
- Trader Joe's
- direct BART line to SF
- good options for road/MTB riding in the Oakland hills; no need to drive


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By Fat Dad
From Los Angeles, CA
Feb 21, 2012

You really need to put more thought into where you'd like to live, since that's where you'll spend 95% of your time, rather than how easy it is to get out of town for the Valley. Having said that, the East Bay is nice. Even Oakland, which has a bad rep, has some really nice neighborhoods like Rockridge and Piedmont. East of Berkeley there are some, pricey towns like Lafayette, Danville, etc. A little climbing on Mt. Diablo, still close to Indian Rock, but also great mt. biking (though it's all fire road) and road biking. Not a bad place to live at all.


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By Colin Simon
From Boulder, CO
Feb 21, 2012
Just below Thunderbolt Peak

os.cqpress.com/citycrime/2009/CityCrime2009_Rank_Rev.pdf

In 2009 Oakland took the #3 crime rate.

Berkeley is super ghetto. Maybe strolling around Pearl Street has made me jaded.


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By Scott Jones
From boulder, co
Feb 21, 2012

there's more to the east bay than oakland and berkeley Colin. Antioch and Livermore are nice and cheap, and will put you a half hour closer to the valley than "super ghetto" Berkeley.


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By J. Albers
From Colorado
Feb 21, 2012
Bucky

Colin, just FYI, your comments make you sound like a spoiled, privileged kid from the suburbs. If you think Berkeley is ghetto, then you need to explore the world a bit and broaden your worldview. The whole world can't be a isolated and sheltered like Palo Alto or Boulder....thank god.


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By caughtinside
From Oakland CA
Feb 21, 2012

J. Albers wrote:
Colin, just FYI, your comments make you sound like a spoiled, privileged kid from the suburbs. If you think Berkeley is ghetto, then you need to explore the world a bit and broaden your worldview. The whole world can't be a isolated and sheltered like Palo Alto or Boulder....thank god.


But its so nice and safe with all the beautiful rich white people! Why would you ever leave Boulder?


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By Fat Dad
From Los Angeles, CA
Feb 21, 2012

caughtinside wrote:
But its so nice and safe with all the beautiful rich white people! Why would you ever leave Boulder?

Beautiful rich white people who think they're edgy. There's a reason why I reconsidered a move there in the early 90s.

BTW, you don't want to live in Antioch or Livermore. (BTW, the wife grew up in Antioch so I think her opinion has some weight). Boring, bland and hot as hell in the summer.


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By Brian Snider
From NorCal
Feb 21, 2012
me

If you live in SF your shit won't stink! Yes it is further from Yosemite but way cooler than anywhere around, food, culture, girls ect. all better. Leave early or late and the traffic is not all that bad. I leave after work around 5 smoke my dinner in the truck while waiting for traffic and I'm camping just outside the gates by 10-11.


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By bergbryce
From South Lake Tahoe, CA
Feb 22, 2012

This is actually one of the better maps of the Bay Area I've ever seen


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By Rough
Feb 23, 2012

Berg, That map is awesome, lol.


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