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By Stich
From Colorado Springs, Colorado
Dec 9, 2012
Coffee after freezing our asses off near James Peak.

Two trolls to cull here it looks like. Both were flagged.

Russ explains the problem with ChipIn pretty well:

"To add... It is a shame, sort of, but maybe not that all this suspicion is on this well meaning gal, if that is what she is. But, this whole ChipIn widget is pretty sketch in itself. It is really just a false layer of legitimacy in front of a paypal account.

Much like a blog post or even a web page, you can make it all flowery and heartfelt, with ZERO checks and balances as to authenticity. It is a glorified redirect to a paypal link. Let's say you hear of something happening to someone like Largo or Whitney Houston or Liberace, or some other luminary... within 5 minutes you can set up a page asking for money to buy flowers or lap dances or whatever and people will for sure start sending you money.

You can pop in some pics, say you are family, say you are a cop or a fireman, and on and on. Read about some of the scams on Google. It is pretty widespread. "


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By Superclimber
Dec 9, 2012

CJC wrote:
all the moderating/post deletion is making this thread pretty hard to follow wtfever go ahead and censor this post too

Yeah, no shit.


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By kevin murphy
From Lafayette, Colorado
Dec 9, 2012
road

camhead wrote:
Two common spelling errors in one sentence. Impressive. Maybe you should go repelling for greater affect.



Well played..

It was copy and paste, my bad


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By Stich
From Colorado Springs, Colorado
Dec 10, 2012
Coffee after freezing our asses off near James Peak.

Update from Supertopo:

"Spoke to John and Krista tonight. Krista is not a scammer, she is a friend of John and she was kind enough to take immediate steps to help him. She deserves our thanks.

Krista wanted me to assure everyone that the money collected by her will go to JL as intended, for purposes such as defraying his kids' travel expenses to be with him in the hospital. Not a penny for lap dances, either, much as that might cheer him up.

But John says we should hold off on further fundraising until he gives us the word. Once he is out of the hospital, he can direct us to the best way we can all help him. He thanks everyone for their support and offers of help.

Rick A"


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By Peter Stokes
From Them Thar Hills
Dec 10, 2012
Wall Street, Moab, UT

I was away yesterday, and missed all the controversy... given the situation as it stands now, I won't have any problem if one of the admins wants to remove or lock this thread.


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By Stich
From Colorado Springs, Colorado
Dec 10, 2012
Coffee after freezing our asses off near James Peak.

I don't believe in removing or locking threads once they have taken on a life of their own. Some editing might benefit things, but that's it. This thread and the other one on Supertopo have become the place to go for updates on the discussion. If you removed both of them, that would silence everything and that isn't good.

That said, a wait and see approach would be best at this point.


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By Christian
From Casa do Cacete
Dec 10, 2012
Ooops...

Anyway, link to ST thread, that's where the latest will be

www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2004841/John-Long-Fundraise>>>


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By Jake Jones
From Richmond, VA
Dec 10, 2012
Me and the offspring walking back to the car after a day of cragging.

According to R&I, his bowline came untied.


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By J Q
Dec 10, 2012
Me again!

Jake Jones wrote:
According to R&I, his bowline came untied.


Is this why I still use my lame figure 8? This is so sad to hear but, but, is their another JL lesson in all of this?

Wait for the press to find out.

Lynn and now John.

The more time on a rope . . . .


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By K Weber
Dec 10, 2012

Here is the official word strait from John.



Dear fellow climbers. John Long requested that we make a brief statement regarding his accident that occurred on 11/29/12 at approximately 8:30pm. John wanted us to confirm that he fell due to an unfinished knot, and suffered a compound fracture to the lower left leg. The rest of the details of the accident are John’s to tell.

Here is a direct quote from John, “Thank you to the Rockreation staff
and members for keeping it together and not panicking in the face of a very scary situation. I consider it my best moment when I saw the gravity of the situation and was somehow able to keep it together and receive the support of the Rockreation Staff.”


https://www.facebook.com/RockreationLA]]https://www.facebook>>>


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By mountainhick
From Black Hawk, CO
Dec 10, 2012

K Weber wrote:
John wanted us to confirm that he fell due to an unfinished knot,



this is the most significant post/statement in this thread.


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By matt davies
Dec 11, 2012

Ben Hicks wrote:
this is the most significant post/statement in this thread.

I have to disagree. Regardless of the how/why, a father of the sport has been laid low. It's tempting to dissect causation to assign responsibility/ assuage blame, but the most significant statement in this thread is (a)" donations fund has been set up to help with all of the medical costs that are not covered by insurance and to help with any other out of pocket costs that are quickly mounting".
I trust that the funds I have given will reach the intended, and I have faith that the combined efforts and donations of the on-line climbing community will not be squandered. I choose not to be a skeptic in this regard, just as I choose to believe a screamer might save my ass on a scary ice lead, or chalk might make the difference when I'm sweaty and gripped before I commit to a crux 20' above my last piece. Without faith, this whole enterprise is worthless, and reduced to a zero sum equation where nothing is risked, and nothing is gained. We're all suckers temping fate, but somewhere between disaster and the summit there is an abandon which makes the risk worth it, and it is in those precious few moments of doubt that we are truly alive.That is why we climb, that is why we give. Best to JL, he doesn't need our help, but good God, we are lost if we cannot believe we can help.


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By Christian
From Casa do Cacete
Dec 11, 2012
Ooops...

"The chipin is still active for those wishing to donate. John knows about the fund and has endorsed it on Rock and Ice. Sorry for the confusion. "

Krista Goodsitt on ST


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By mountainhick
From Black Hawk, CO
Dec 11, 2012

matt davies wrote:
I have to disagree. Regardless of the how/why, a father of the sport has been laid low. It's tempting to dissect causation to assign responsibility/ assuage blame,



Interesting interpretation.

Let's be clear, infusing issues of blame is your drama. To me, you completely missed the point, it is not a dissection, it is not about blame.

I perceive JL's statement as a humble reminder and care for everyone's saftey. That is my interpretation. It happened to him, it happened to Lynn Hill, other variations on the theme happened to many of our climbing friends and heros. It can happen to you, it can happen to me.

One slip of attention is all it takes.

Constant vigilance.


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By ChristopherAust
From Ohio
Dec 11, 2012
omg

Guess I'm tying in with a figure 8 from now on.


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By matt davies
Dec 11, 2012

Ben Hicks wrote:
Interesting interpretation. Let's be clear, infusing issues of blame is your drama. To me, you completely missed the point, it is not a dissection, it is not about blame. I perceive JL's statement as a humble reminder and care for everyone's saftey. That is my interpretation. It happened to him, it happened to Lynn Hill, other variations on the theme happened to many of our climbing friends and heros. It can happen to you, it can happen to me. One slip of attention is all it takes. Constant vigilance.

Well said, thanks for the clarification.
"Constant vigilance.", in every sense of the word, maybe the most significant statement in this thread.


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By mountainhick
From Black Hawk, CO
Dec 11, 2012

No worries Matt.


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By Peter Stokes
From Them Thar Hills
Dec 11, 2012
Wall Street, Moab, UT

Here's a link to the Rock & Ice story, which also contains the donation link originally posted on this thread:

www.rockandice.com/news/2383-john-long-injured-in-groundfall


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By KevinCO
From Loveland, CO
Dec 11, 2012

Just donated...more donations needed!


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By Gunkiemike
Dec 11, 2012

Christian wrote:
"The chipin is still active for those wishing to donate. John knows about the fund and has endorsed it on Rock and Ice. Sorry for the confusion. " Krista Goodsitt on ST


Well I'm convinced and am going to let my donation, meager though it was, stand.

But my take away from all the skepticism isn't very positive. We had almost nothing but Stich and others saying (paraphrasing here), "I just talked to Krista. This is legitimate" and Krista saying "it's OK, I'm a friend of JL" and "John's OK with this". Way too much validation coming from no one but Krista. I mean if she WERE scamming us, of course she'd say this is on the up-and-up.

I think this is part of the reason the paranoia lasted as long as it did. Mostly I'm glad this is cleared up. Best wishes to ya John!


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By Stich
From Colorado Springs, Colorado
Dec 11, 2012
Coffee after freezing our asses off near James Peak.

Gunkiemike wrote:
Way too much validation coming from no one but Krista.


She registered on Supertopo and talked to the forum for quite a bit. I'm not sure she knows about this place exactly. In any case, that's where it stands.


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By gearwhore
From Orange, CA
Dec 11, 2012

...you all could buy more of his books if the chipin thing is too scary...


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By david doucette
Dec 13, 2012
Top of Intersection Rock, Joshua Tree NP.

i learned a bunch from his books, glad to participate in the chipin for someone who has given so much to the climbing community.


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By Russ Walling
From www.FishProducts.com
Dec 13, 2012
Russ

Gunkiemike wrote:
But my take away from all the skepticism isn't very positive. We had almost nothing but Stich and others saying (paraphrasing here), "I just talked to Krista. This is legitimate" and Krista saying "it's OK, I'm a friend of JL" and "John's OK with this". Way too much validation coming from no one but Krista. I mean if she WERE scamming us, of course she'd say this is on the up-and-up. I think this is part of the reason the paranoia lasted as long as it did.


+ like a thousand??


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By Colonel Mustard
From Reno, NV
Dec 13, 2012
Colonel Mustard

JL's been posting on the Taco and could easily say this is a scam. His close friends like Dean Fidelman could debunk it. They have not, and he's probably sheepish about chiming in on his own benefit thread since he's probably feeling a bit like a bag of shit over screwing up and getting hurt just like any of us probably would.

It's fucked the message is being lost to the static. It sucks that there have been rapacious pieces of shit who have abused the good will of the community and made everybody this goddamn jaded and leery.

I'm sure JL's on a lot of pain meds and is recovering from a big hit, i.e. not in his top form for dealing with controversy, or any negative shit beyond what's on his plate already. I hope this resolves in a way so that people aren't in fact derailing a great cause to benefit a true treasure to our community because that would be the genuine travesty. As much as everybody hates being a dupe, getting hooked by the troll, etc., I know I'd feel like a piece of shit if it were my words dissuading support that a fallen brother could really use in his most desperate time.

Heal up, Largo, let the circus deal with itself, you only need focus on the good will of so many who your words and example have touched.

edit: Oh, I guess the ChipIn donation fund has been legitimized? Please confirm naysayers, rather than being defensive. The knowledge of where we can help out is more important than a bit of ego. As we can see just below my post, there is now the false belief perpetuated that we shouldn't donate... Great job, really helps JL out.


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