Denver chosen top city to live in

While I am skeptical of all surveys, I am willing to go out on a limb with this one.

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Wow Ben! Road Rage much?

You think Denver's bad? Have you ever driven in Albuquerque my friend? Have you? Second only to Brazil.

Ben F wrote: I won't let you in if you're doing this and I'll situate my car into 2 lanes so you can't pass, jerk. TFB.

I love that maneuver! Especially when other cars join in and form a "flying-v" flanking formation

Larry Pedigo wrote:Why are "Coloradans" always the punching bag for people in/from other states? "Coloradans can't drive", "Coloradans are ruining Indian Creek", "I just look and see the green license plate and that explains everything" and so the rant goes. I see and hear it frequently.

They're jealous :)

Ben F wrote:Sorry, but people here (and lots of other places, too) can't drive. It would be worse than Atlanta, except there aren't as many cars on the road.

Not Yet, But if you look at the interstate map of ATL and compare it to that of Denver - Just wait, same bad urban planning.

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Except the Perimeter hasn't fully formed!

Larry Pedigo wrote: Btw, I was actually born and raised here.

Sorry for not being born here but guess what? You can't chose where you were born or who your family is but you can choose where to live when you get older.

Re Ben F's 7b:

Imagine 3 lanes (1, 2, and 3) carrying equal traffic, with Lane 1 closing. Since everyone in Lane 1 has to merge into Lane 2, half the drivers in Lane 2 should merge into Lane 3 so that the two remaining open lanes carry the same amount of traffic. Optimally, the Lane 2 drivers will merge before the closure and the Lane 1 drivers will merge at the closure.

Of course, this doesn't work in practice because there always seems to be some clown who thinks its his job to police Lane 1 drivers because they might get ahead of him instead of thinking about how to optimize traffic flow.

Ben F wrote:7b. At a lane reduction for construction, where you would need to merge, don't haul ass past everyone else who is merging to try to get in front. You're screwing yourself and everyone else. I won't let you in if you're doing this and I'll situate my car into 2 lanes so you can't pass, jerk. TFB.

Thread Hijack....

Situating your car into 2 lanes is obstructing traffic and is the main reason why during the hwy 285 widening CDOT had signs saying "Use both lanes until merge point". Folks that blocked the lane were cited for obstructing traffic... If you've got some time and want to read hundreds of posts on the subject go to pinecam.com and search their forums....

BTW, i agree with the zipper method - just do it at the merge point - not 1 mile before....

Wow, Ben hit the nail squarely on the head! I'm glad I'm not the only one to notice these things. I'll bet these people are from Cali though.

Ben F wrote: 7b. At a lane reduction for construction, where you would need to merge, don't haul ass past everyone else who is merging to try to get in front. You're screwing yourself and everyone else. I won't let you in if you're doing this and I'll situate my car into 2 lanes so you can't pass, jerk. TFB.

Great point, Ben. But it's not just construction merges, it's virtually every freeway on-ramp. Mergers drive past gaps where they could join the flow, instead rushing up to the end of the merge lane where there's a jam-up of mergers trying to get into the lane. Meanwhile, back at the (moving) gaps, I love the lane straddle maneuver to stop those jerks.

Alright. You can't drive unless you are from NYC!!!

Yellow does not mean stop it means GO FASTER, they are long yellows here!!! When the light turns green just don't sit there FLOOR IT!!! The left lane is the FAST lane and the speed limit is 75 not 60!!! I should not have to pass you on the right! Grrrr!

These are just a few of my peeves on living and driving in COlorado Springs. Back in NY if you sit at a light that is green you will get your ass handed to you. Otherwise I love it out here!! It only takes me 25- 30 minutes to go across town. To go 8 miles back home 2 freakin hours and you better be driving on the bumber of the car in front of you cause if you leave a little space someones cutting you off and you'll wind up 10 miles back!

Climb Safe!!!! I think all the bad drivers are from Texas! LOL!

Just about everybody everywhere drives badly - why does anyone expect competent driving from the mouth breathers who can't figure out supermarket self checkouts? The only exceptions are the survival of the fittest type of places that intimidate the clueless off the road - places like New York City. Zipper merges happen almost perfectly there all the time, and absolutely have to for gridlock to not shut the place down.

I'm much more tolerant of driving in general after driving to Panama and back earlier this year. I thoroughly enjoyed the chaos of driving down there, but i'm glad i don't deal with it every day and any frustrations we have here are minor in comparison.

Word on the merge thing Ben. I honk at people all the time that STOP when they have a merge lane that runs 100 yards - because they want to be in the left lane a quarter mile down the road.

MORONS!!

Also, if your in the left lane (and there are TWO lanes turning left) DON'T CHANGE LANES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAM TURN! I've almost been sideswiped twice this week from people doing this.

Humans are strange creatures. Our behavior always boils down to us and them, or us vs them.
It is behavior that is innate and resides down to the very core of our beings.
I too, like to subscribe to this behavior when it is us climbers vs those non-climbers, but it tweaks my ass when climbers factionalize themselves by roped climbers vs boulderers, sport vs trad, free vs aid, etc.
It will always be this way. I feel that it is in our DNA and humanity will war on each other until the day when we are invaded by aliens from other planets. Then we will all band together against those evil rotten bastards. Humans vs aliens.

Andrew Gram wrote:Just about everybody everywhere drives badly

I will be the first to admit I drive like crap - especially when eating a cheeseburger, talking on the cell-phone and putting on make-up.

Wait... forget that last one... ha, ha?

Colorado drivers do have the worst driving habits. I'm a New York transplant and have to say if people tried to pull that kind of S@it in NYC you'd get flamed. I used to do the Denver to Boulder thing on 36...holy crap man!!! When you know there's congestion up ahead SLOW DOWN. Every day traffic would go from 70mph to 0 in a matter of feet. Scary stuff. BTW doesn't everyone know that the right lane is the fast lane in Colorado.

Shawn Mitchell wrote: Great point, Ben. But it's not just construction merges, it's virtually every freeway on-ramp. Mergers drive past gaps where they could join the flow, instead rushing up to the end of the merge lane where there's a jam-up of mergers trying to get into the lane. Meanwhile, back at the (moving) gaps, I love the lane straddle maneuver to stop those jerks.

So you're an advocate of driving dangerously , unlawfully (since lane straddling is improper and obstructs legal traffic), and counterproductively (since optimum traffic flow requires smooth merges and the use of all lanes, not jerks playing speed bump), all because you're jealous of someone getting ahead of you.

What most people don't realize is that driving in traffic is an inherently cooperative activity, that is if you want it to be safe and efficient. Vehicular socialism if you will.

Tom Hanson wrote:Humans are strange creatures. Our behavior always boils down to us and them, or us vs them. It is behavior that is innate and resides down to the very core of our beings. It will always be this way. I feel that it is in our DNA...

Yes.

Scott Miller wrote:Colorado drivers do have the worst driving habits. I'm a New York transplant and have to say if people tried to pull that kind of S@it in NYC you'd get flamed.

I'll take the supposed bad driving in CO over anything that NYC has to offer. Any day of the week.