By Ryan Williams
Administrator
From London (sort of)
Mar 30, 2012
| Mike McHugh wrote: I like that instead of being home with food, water, snacks, and places to sleep, this dog got to sit at the base of Rewritten while his owners lollygagged. Also, if your leashed or unleashed dog is aggressive towards strangers, please make sure and blame it on the strangers. They're always too tall or too small, too masculine or too feminine, or too whatever.
+1. It's cruel to tie a dog up at the crag like that. Wonder how they'd feel if he had been tied up there the other day during the rock fall. Dog brains all over the place is something that even dog haters aren't interested in seeing.
They may be your best friend but would you bring your human best friend to the crag to sit around at the bottom w/ no food and water while you climbed? No, you wouldn't - and if you did, they'd hate you for it.
Leave the dogs at home. | 
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By Ed Wright
Mar 30, 2012
| matt davies wrote: In Mexico?
In Mexico and in Wisconsin where I spend a few months every summer. |
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By RyanO
From Golden, CO
Mar 30, 2012
| Ed Wright wrote: I always take my dogs to the crag, unleashed. They never bark, fight with other dogs, pee on people's stuff or steal their lunch. I always make sure they have a good run before we head for the crag so when I'm ready to climb, they're happy to chill.
I also (almost) always bring my dog, and never tie him up. The only places I don't bring him are RMNP and the Black (though I've tried). He likes to putz around, stick his nose in holes, play with lizards, act hurt for attractive young female climbers, and sometimes he'll walk up and meet me at the top. He's well behaved and quiet, and avoids contact with most humanoids as a general rule (with the exception of attractive young women, whom he easily finds a way to wrap around his duclaw every time ;) I've never heard a complaint, and I've never seen a reason to cease this practice.
In fact, the only problem I've ever had was at shelf road. We were walking along the base of Cactus towards the gym, and a _leashed_ pet goat went cross-eyed and charged my dog. Adobe jumped back, crouched down baring his teeth, and got ready to fight. At this point the goat crew from minnesota jumped in and pulled their goat back while glaring at us as if we were rabid crazies - to which we gave them a simple sniff and continued on our merry way :)
Haters gunna hate.. |
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By David Appelhans
From Lafayette
Mar 30, 2012
| Ed Wright wrote: I always take my dogs to the crag, unleashed. They never bark, fight with other dogs, pee on people's stuff or steal their lunch. I always make sure they have a good run before we head for the crag so when I'm ready to climb, they're happy to chill.
How do you keep track of where they are pooping (so you can pick it up) when you don't have them on a leash and you are busy climbing? Is your belayer watching where they are going, or if on a multipitch climb how do you know if they pooped and where? |
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By dougie2008
From Boulder
Mar 30, 2012
| Jonhy Q wrote: For those of you scared of dogs: A full rack makes quite a nice mace, I can swear by it!
I now understand why pwoplw like the #11 hex.... |
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By RyanO
From Golden, CO
Mar 30, 2012
| David Appelhans wrote: How do you keep track of where they are pooping (so you can pick it up) when you don't have them on a leash and you are busy climbing? Is your belayer watching where they are going, or if on a multipitch climb how do you know if they pooped and where?
Silly young grasshopper. Must I remind you that Heisenberg's uncertainty principle states that if you were able to determine exactly WHEN the dog were pooping, then you would not be able to determine exactly WHERE they pooped, therefore making it nearly impossible to pick it up? It's simple physics, bro. Seriously, I would have expected more from a Mines grad ;) |
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By Merlin
From Grand Junction
Mar 30, 2012
| RyanO wrote: Silly young grasshopper. Must I remind you that Heisenberg's uncertainty principle states that if you were able to determine exactly WHEN the dog were pooping, then you would not be able to determine exactly WHERE they pooped, therefore making it nearly impossible to pick it up? It's simple physics, bro. Seriously, I would have expected more from a Mines grad ;)
I know you are joking but that's a totally incorrect application of the uncertainty principle. |
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By Jason N.
From Grand Junction
Mar 30, 2012
| David Appelhans wrote: How do you keep track of where they are pooping (so you can pick it up) when you don't have them on a leash and you are busy climbing? Is your belayer watching where they are going, or if on a multipitch climb how do you know if they pooped and where?
If you're like me and you live with a dog and without a yard, your dog gets on a pretty good pee/poop schedule if you are feeding them at fairly consistent times. Most of the time, if I'm going out cragging for the day you just make sure they're pooped before you arrive. The other scenario being once they're hiking on the approach things get moving pretty quickly, so if she's going to poop its typically then. And also, I climb in parties bigger than 2 fairly often which makes things easier. It takes some planning, but its not terribly difficult. |
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By Jim Gloeckler
From Denver, Colo.
Mar 30, 2012
| I think that it should be first come first served. If my dog and I arrive at a crag before you dog haters, then find another place to climb. |
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By RyanO
From Golden, CO
Mar 30, 2012
| Jim Gloeckler wrote: I think that it should be first come first served. If my dog and I arrive at a crag before you dog haters, then find another place to climb.
+1 |
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By David Appelhans
From Lafayette
Mar 30, 2012
| RyanO wrote: Silly young grasshopper. Must I remind you that Heisenberg's uncertainty principle states that if you were able to determine exactly WHEN the dog were pooping, then you would not be able to determine exactly WHERE they pooped, therefore making it nearly impossible to pick it up? It's simple physics, bro. Seriously, I would have expected more from a Mines grad ;)
Time is irrelevant. If you meant momentum, you don't need to know the dogs momentum, just where it pooped. Then you reach down and you pick that up.
I'll assume you are a reasonable person and care about being a responsible dog owner and not letting it poop at the base of the crags. The point is, if your dog is off a leash and wandering around while you are climbing how can you pick up after your dog? |
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By David Appelhans
From Lafayette
Mar 30, 2012
| Jason N. wrote: If you're like me and you live with a dog and without a yard, your dog gets on a pretty good pee/poop schedule if you are feeding them at fairly consistent times. Most of the time, if I'm going out cragging for the day you just make sure they're pooped before you arrive. The other scenario being once they're hiking on the approach things get moving pretty quickly, so if she's going to poop its typically then. And also, I climb in parties bigger than 2 fairly often which makes things easier. It takes some planning, but its not terribly difficult.
Thanks for the response. I'm glad you have thought about the issue and I'll think about your response. |
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By RyanO
From Golden, CO
Mar 30, 2012
| David Appelhans wrote: I'll assume you are a reasonable person and care about being a responsible dog owner and not letting it poop at the base of the crags. The point is, if your dog is off a leash and wandering around while you are climbing how can you pick up after your dog?
They don't give those Boulder open space voice and sight control tags to just anyone ya know.. ;) |
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By S.Stelli
From Colorado Springs, CO
Mar 30, 2012
| It seems there is always a caveat to having or not having a dog with you at the crag. If you love your dog, do what is healthy for the dog. If it is a good crag dog, take him to the crag. If he is a shitty crag dog leave him at home. If you think he is annoying someone then he probably is.
I met RyanO's dog the other weekend in the S.Platte. So did my friend. Only my friend "met" the dog beore I did. We had very dissimilar encouters with this dog. My friend was rushed up on by this dog, which made him nervous for just a moment. When I came up the trail later, the dog barely even looked at me. Two totally different experiences on the same exact day, at the same crag, with the same dog. Its different for everyone!
BTW RyanO's dog (in MY opinion) is one of those good crag dogs. I'd be happy to see him at the base most anytime. |
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By bearbreeder
Mar 30, 2012
| to all owners who took their dog to the crag ...
what would you do if your dog pissed over someones rope and gear ... would you offer to replace it ...
im not against tasty dogs at the crag at all ... its fairly common up here ... but i always shoo em away from my gear ...
till i lure em in when my stomach starts growling ;) |
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By wankel7
From Dallas TexASS
Mar 30, 2012
| Ryan Williams wrote: +1. It's cruel to tie a dog up at the crag like that. Wonder how they'd feel if he had been tied up there the other day during the rock fall. Dog brains all over the place is something that even dog haters aren't interested in seeing. They may be your best friend but would you bring your human best friend to the crag to sit around at the bottom w/ no food and water while you climbed? No, you wouldn't - and if you did, they'd hate you for it. Leave the dogs at home.
So leave them home tied up in the back yard or stuck in a house?
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By wankel7
From Dallas TexASS
Mar 30, 2012
| Jim Gloeckler wrote: I think that it should be first come first served. If my dog and I arrive at a crag before you dog haters, then find another place to climb.
This thread is about climbing crags...not the unwritten rules of a dog park.
:p |
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By Ed Wright
Mar 31, 2012
| David Appelhans wrote: How do you keep track of where they are pooping (so you can pick it up) when you don't have them on a leash and you are busy climbing? Is your belayer watching where they are going, or if on a multipitch climb how do you know if they pooped and where?
That is a legitimate question and obviously I don't always know if they pooped, or where, but I assume it was off in the bushes in an isolated area as they've been trained to do. |
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By APBT1976
From Never never land...
Mar 31, 2012
| I love dogs i have two of them. Both are by my side 22 outa 24 hours most everyday of my life with the exception of going climbing.
When i climb they are left at home with someone whom can keep them company.
I have no problems with dogs only dog owners. It is very rare you encounter a bad dog but bad dog owners are almost the rule.
My problem with the best of dogs is often the owner and only the owner. I feel bad for bad dogs as most do not have to be that way. If the dogs is well mannered the owner often thinks his dog should be a joy to anyone whom come in contact with it. This just is not that case "try telling said dog owner or any dog owner anything" good freaking luck!! It is kinda like that ass hole that lets their child run loose all over a restaurant or cry and not take it outside. Many and most people these days have very little care or concern for how their actions affect others lives. Dogs owners are some of the worst offenders imop!
Even if you dog or dogs poop off in the woods it should be picked up. If your dog is loose you can not keep track of it's poop 100% of the time and imop are a selfish A-hole!!
I am all for happy loose dogs on private property. As much as i love dogs and most dogs on the trail do nothing more than make me smile and think of my dogs i and many others do not want the choice to deal or not deal with your dog made for us. The simplest of things your dog does could seem like nothing to you but could be dealing or uncomfortable for someone else. If you don't want people taking issue with you and your buddy going everywhere with you try showing some mutual respect and leashing him or her and picking up its shit. My guess is the people that have a issue with people having issue with their dog could really give a shit about what anyone else think. It is a classic case of the my shit don't stink mentality.
I write this as i listen to my two dogs snore away on a cold wet day happy as can be to just snuggle up on their dog beds and watch bad movies. |
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By bearbreeder
Mar 31, 2012
| dogs poop all the time at the local bluffs here ... and some owners dont pick up after them ,,, it doesnt matter if its in the woods .... the city of squamish requires you pick up after it, they even provide free baggies
i have no problem with most dogs at climbs ... but there are those that dig holes all over the trails and poop without any cleanup
no one has answered my question about what they would do if their dog pissed over someones gear ... id hope responsible owners would take responsibility for that ... hmmmm |
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By APBT1976
From Never never land...
Mar 31, 2012
| bearbreeder wrote: dogs poop all the time at the local bluffs here ... and some owners dont pick up after them ,,, it doesnt matter if its in the woods .... the city of squamish requires you pick up after it, they even provide free baggies i have no problem with most dogs at climbs ... but there are those that dig holes all over the trails and poop without any cleanup no one has answered my question about what they would do if their dog pissed over someones gear ... id hope responsible owners would take responsibility for that ... hmmmm
My dogs would not be at the craig but in the event my dogs ever did anything to anyone's property i would get a address and send em a check asap!!
Shit i don't even let my dogs piss on peoples lawn. I have trained them to go on the strip of grass between the sidewalk and the street or off in the woods. Poop ALWAYS gets picked up!! |
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By David Appelhans
From Lafayette
Mar 31, 2012
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| My dog is my sidekick. He goes with me everywhere.
Submitted By: Bob Dobalina on Mar 31, 2012
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You realize you posted a picture of your dog chewing up what looks like a recently living bush in Indian Creek right? Not the most resilient of ecosystems, there. Are you giving an example of a dog owner thinking their dog is the greatest thing ever, when in fact it is causing harm? |
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By Step hen
From Fort Collins, CO
Mar 31, 2012
| Gilles wrote: Climbing is my number one passion, but out of the various sports I do, climbers annoy me the most, and the reason for that is they always find something to bitch about. Whether its about "gym rats" or "noobs" are climbing outside, or people playing some music while they climb, or peoples dogs at the crag, peoples camp fires are too large, those guys climb harder then me...it just goes on and on and on. Just shut up, in a world where we are reaching a population of 10 billion, there are gonna be things that annoy us, if you don't like it, stay inside.
+1
Climbers are a bunch of whining sissies. |
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By bradyk
Mar 31, 2012
| If your dog has to be leashed up the whole time while you are climbing, wouldn't it be better to leave him at home. Unlike climbers, dogs do not like to be tied in. "Look, this is a perfect number 2 placement at ground level to leash up my dog." I would rather see a dog running free. It is always the leashed dogs that are barking and whining while the owner is climbing.
Lisa- Your dog probably wanted to play with this so-called bully of a pup, but she couldn't because it was leashed up. The bully pup did not almost break your dogs leg, the leash did, you said so yourself. This could have happened without another unleashed dog. Their are plenty of things to distract a belayer, don't go blaming an unleashed dog for your belayers ADD. |
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