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Sloth T 
Squeeze Play T,TR 
Straight Face TR 
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Sweet Jesus T,TR 
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Crazy Alice 

YDS: 5.8 French: 5b Ewbanks: 16 UIAA: VI- ZA: 15 British: HVS 4c

Type:  Trad, 60'
Consensus:  YDS: 5.8 French: 5b Ewbanks: 16 UIAA: VI- ZA: 15 British: HVS 4c [details]
FA: Mike Panciera, 1975
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Submitted By: Craig Childre on Sep 15, 2006

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Andrew on an Oklahoma classic.

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The best 5.8 in the park, if not the entire state. Follow the zig zagging crack up the face. Great jams will have you wanting more. Crux is not very clear, about 25-30 feet up the crack breaks up some and the feet aren't as good, the high section has some awkward jams. Balance can be hard since you always seem to be leaning one way or the other.


Center of the main wall, the most obvious and consistent route in the narrows.


Great gear, the last time I was on, it ate all 8 of my Rock Empires. Just fire in the gear and move. Chain anchors.


This route deserves the MEGA CLASSIC rating, because it features sustained climbing for a full 50-60 feet, requiring a variety of techniques to send. I would suggest that if you can send Crazy Alice, you will have no trouble with any other 5.8 in the refuge. I always reguarded it as the areas testpiece.

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Rock Climbing Photo: crazy alice Photo by Jace Johnson
crazy alice Photo by Jace Johnson
Rock Climbing Photo: Crazy Alice climbs the zig-zag cracks to the right...
Crazy Alice climbs the zig-zag cracks to the right...
Rock Climbing Photo: "Crazy Alice," March 2010
"Crazy Alice," March 2010
Rock Climbing Photo: "Crazy Alice" November 2013
"Crazy Alice" November 2013
Rock Climbing Photo: crazy alice Photo by Jace Johnson
BETA PHOTO: crazy alice Photo by Jace Johnson

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By Chris O'Connor
From: boulder, co
Aug 6, 2007
rating: 5.8 5b 16 VI- 15 HVS 4c

Totally classic, my first real trad lead. Excellent for an intro to trad climbing or on a breezy day.
By John Calder
From: Spokane, WA
Aug 6, 2007

Great route. Watch out for bats in the crack up high. I've almost touched em on a few jams before.
By steven charles
Dec 19, 2008

definitely a great climb, i'd put mr. clean on lower scott as my favorite 5.8 in the wichitas, if you visit the tas and are intersted in moderate trad, i'd say both are must do's.
By Brent Butcher
Nov 18, 2010
rating: 5.8 5b 16 VI- 15 HVS 4c

This crack used all my BD .75's and 1's. Bring 2 of each.
By Chris Walden
Apr 8, 2015
rating: 5.8 5b 16 VI- 15 HVS 4c

Great route, solid pro & lots of fun. You can setup a top rope at the chains and bang out lots of routes.
By Herndon
Jan 17, 2016

One of the best 5.8's in the Refuge. A must do.

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