Where does one find out info on how to build a new Tyrolean traverse? Also, when setting one up in CCC, is there a guideline/rule/law as to how high above the maximum water line it needs to be? We don't want to clothes-line any rafters or kayakers!

replacing one? or adding one? where?

Jeffco doesnt allow new tyrols in CCC anymore (however they have accepted the Mission one). so if you build one, it wont last long..

the ones to Primo and Creekside are on Clear Creek County, and as far as i know they dont have issues with them, as they have been up for a while.

EDIT: FYI, JCOS extends from the mouth of the canyon and all the way up to just before the 119 Y-junction.

I saw a cool tyrolean in this movie called Cliffhanger, but something went wrong, don't do it that way!!!

On a serious note, WiledHorse is right, Can't just throw them in where you want, Does the canyon really need another one? Where?

Where do you want to put one? The access is pretty reasonable for whats there right now. The one to the Mission wall is a pretty thick steel cable, It will shred a biner if you pull yourself over on it, Best to have one of those big petzl pulleys that all the Search and Rescue guys own, I always wondered when I was gonna need one of those.

I was thinking high wire to river wall;

do a zipline like the real pros

This is in regard to the drytooling thread. It was suggested to find a choss pile and go bonkers. Myself and a few others have been discussing, scouting etc. and I saw a place near the Anarchy Wall, but it's on the other side of the creek and just a tad upstream. I looked on here in the DB and in the new CCC book and there is no crag or route located there. Upon inspecting it in person, there are no bolts, lots of brush/bushes/choss, but its steep and slightly overhanging in spots, affording a decent DT crag. I see that there is a Tyrol 500' upstream of New Economy, but that would not be sufficient to reach this place as just upstream from the possible DT area, the canyon cliffs out all the way down to the water.

I had to look at it through bino's since the creek was too high this summer to get to it w/o getting really wet. Of course in winter one could just cross on the ice? But for summer DT'ing it'd be hard to get to. Since WH informed that Jeff Co. doesn't allow Tyrol's this might be a bust anyway. Just curious is all, w/o wanting to dredge up another DT'ing sucks love-fest!

EDIT: I just read the info on the Bionic Crag page...I remembered seeing in the CCC guide a few routes near here. The place I'm suggesting is NOT the Bionic Crag. It's just upstream and west of there...not wanting to f'k up a sport crag!

I'm with Buff, Maybe an adventure course too while your at it, Back and forth zip lines interspersed with Via Ferrata,Crazy suspended bridges, something to take you through the whole canyon in a day!

Wish I could post some pictures of some crazy ones I did in France, I am just not savvy enough to figure out the technologically advanced procedures of posting photos in these threads, when will MP make it easy like facebook other sites where its just an option in the post and you can browse your files and click and be done, That would be nice for computer ignorant folks like me!

Jeff to start it off, what you do is take your tools, one in each hand. Put your goggles on & tie in. Then your partner offers about 50-75 feet of slack; well shoot make it an even hundred. Start at the back of the road, take like 4 breaths bearing your teeth, start high stepping it, gaining speed as you near the road edge. Then take that launching step, swing your tools mid-air in a Pete Townsend like fashion, then as you get to the other side from your spring-board jump capability (or better yet, the roadrunner thrust move!), just slam your tools in the rock, and you're home-free.

You can even time it and add a launch off a car hood to give yourself that extra safety margin.

I'd say crampons optional on this one.

ala Vertical Limit, Buff? i think youre on to somethin.

okay, that's just the start of it;

then, take out your bolt-gun, turn your ball-cap around, fire 2 shots for redundancy, there's your anchor; just remember 1 piton can hold a helicopter, so you're good here

BWWWWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Classic!

but to answer your question...

Climbers on the high tyrol. Submitted By: WiledHorse on Aug 13, 2009

Jenna finishing the tyrol with Clear Creek ripping underneath Submitted By: Ryan Kane on Oct 11, 2007

Just realize that at some point in the distant future, someone will come along and ask if they need to use your tyrolean or can cross the creek. This will then lead to another "suckit" fest.

You have the power to stop that future.

Jeff, Assuming an area is within its given permissible use --

You basically want a thick static and 2 bomber anchor rigs. You take the static, I'd say 11mm, this is called the track-line (you could call it a main-line also) and fix it to one side. With a tree you do simple wraps which maintains itself without strength reduction.

Then you run an independent haul system tensioning on the track-line to the opposing anchor. The trick is to transfer loads from your haul system to your baseline anchor.

With nylon it's not all that complicated to safety factor the forces, as long as you've got bomber anchors; which could be a multi-point load distributor off of bolts on each side, or single BFTs & BFRs (big trees or rocks). You just don't want marginal anchors.

With as much as you can tension, you'll still have sag (which you want) when you transfer the loading when using nylon, and yes, you want static nylon for this. I'm not usually concerned about the fear of overtensioning with nylon and then transferring it to the baseline anchor, you always get sag and nylon is forgiving, which means you are moving force away from the anchors, which is good.

(In Wiled's second pic, you can see the sag and this line is tensioned pretty tight; so you get a good idea of the automatic safety factor as a bonus from using nylon)

But, if going with cable, then you need to be a little more savy about the equipment install as you can exert much more on the anchors. The rule of thumb is about 10 percent sag (if I remember correctly, this is a quick & dirty posting); the more sag the less force, but with more sag then you make it a bitch to get across without tag-lining and having additional haul systems put on the climber; and then you probably need cable grabs, also; and you don't want to over exert hauls on the tag-lines levering against the track-lines (this is where it obviously gets complicated).

As stated, you want the line high enough not to interfere with anyone using what is underneath the tyrol.

Although cable tyroleans will last longer, a static nylon rope one can be crossed without additional gear like pulleys, so it's a lot more user friendly. It can be replaced as it wears and you can add additional lines for redundancy (see Avalon tyrolean). And certainly, they are easier to set up.

ps - the zip-line is just little something for those in the know; or should I say, don't

All I know is that the last time I loaned a pulley to Buff for the Creekside tyro I didn't get it back.

If anyone finds a silver BD pulley on the streets of Golden somewhere, it's probably mine. Thanks!

H took it, I swear!


Possibly a better way to tagline (on an established tyrol)---
some thoughts here with the swiftwater hazard;

leader goes with the tag fixed-end tied to them to a plastic/non-rated component and not on belay; also takes across the other end which is open-ended; keeping a middle point with the seconding climber. Leader goes and jumars the track-line as needed.

once leader gets to the farside, one end of the tag-line is fixed to the anchor, other end is still open but used as a 2:1 haul line for the follower who uses a rated piece of equipment with tagline -- ideally a pulley w/ biner (this is a separate system from the pulley/biner cow-tailed to the seconding climber's harness on the track-line)

if either climber goes into the water, the tagline could be escape-able

-- will it work??