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By Zed
From Gotham City
Aug 5, 2007

Tea wrote:
And can someone explain to me why people wear beannies with no shirt when it's hot out?


Because metro-sexual bouldering is the latest rage.


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By jonas f
Aug 5, 2007

Wade wrote:
Go feed your Kids and shut up Tracy!


Are you the Wade of FRB rants on pad stashing?


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By Daniel Crescenzo
From Boulder, CO
Aug 5, 2007
Crux?

I think Wade has mommy issues.


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By jonas f
Aug 5, 2007

Not to be a total jerk, but I think he has some ego/anger management issues. Just look at the photos I found of him.

http://bittersweetclimbing.com/team/wadedavid/

http://www.evolvesports.com/team.htm

Of the entire Evolv team, he is the only one in a line-up of dedicated and awesome climbers that looks like a complete jack ass. As for Bittersweet, do they know they have a troll (I mean that literally and figuratively) on the team.

BTW he supposedly works for Gary Neptune, can anyone confirm that?


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By J. Thompson
From denver, co
Aug 5, 2007
Trundling a death block. Photo by Dan Gambino.

jonas f wrote:
Not to be a total jerk, but I think he has some ego/anger management issues. Just look at the photos I found of him. http://bittersweetclimbing.com/team/wadedavid/ http://www.evolvesports.com/team.htm Of the entire Evolv team, he is the only one in a line-up of dedicated and awesome climbers that looks like a complete jack ass. As for Bittersweet, do they know they have a troll (I mean that literally and figuratively) on the team. BTW he supposedly works for Gary Neptune, can anyone confirm that?


Well now looks like I have the opportunity to take care of my friends as well....
I know some folks who do alot with both of those companies. I'm ot talking "look at me I'm sponsored" I'm talking the "behind the scenes money people'.
So I guess maybe some phone calls and e-mails concerning what their sponsored athelete's are up to with the gear they are giving them is in order.


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By wade david
Aug 5, 2007

Hey everyone! I was notified by a friend that there is someone impersonating me here on the forums, there may be other wades in the climbing community. As for the pad stashing at Rocky Mountain N.P. I will not have any interaction with bring pads down but I will post a News Flash on the front page of my site (wadedavid.com) about the clean up dates. If you have not visited the site, it features New's, Video's, Women of Climbing, Guides, Wallpapers and more!

Wade David


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By Allen Hill
From FIve Points, Colorado and Pine
Aug 6, 2007
Czech republic

Swimming in alpine lakes in RMNP is something the rangers get real mad about as well.

http://www.wadedavid.com/wdpages/wadedavidphoto.html

your not helping your cause.


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By wade david
Aug 6, 2007

Allen I'm sure if you take another look at the photo you will notice she is not in the lake, my friend was laying in the sun on the rock, she got up and I took that great photo. It would be great if you could show some appreciation. I hate message boards like this, you can't ever please anyone.

I hope everyone else likes the site.

wade
david


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By Joey Wolfe
Aug 6, 2007

Then you might want to change the pic's caption from "Melissa swimming in Lake Haiyaha". It leads people to believe she is swimming. Weird huh?


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By Ternes
From Littleton, Co
Aug 6, 2007
small crimps just after roof

oh come on the guy just came to defend himself and let everyone know that he was not stashing pads or whatnot. this thread is not about him, theres no need for namecalling or slander. this thread is talking about a major issue in our community. lets not hijack the thread.


(ive been up for 20 hours i apologize if this post doesn't make sense)

back on topic? carry on.

stashed pads in rmnp GO!


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By Brad Brandewie
Aug 6, 2007
On the way to the top of Owen's first peak.<br /><br />(Engineer Mountain near Durango)

Allen
I was not aware that it's frowned upon to swim in lakes in RMNP? With the exception of Bear Lake, I believe it is acceptable to the rangers.

Have you had a different experience?


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By Zed
From Gotham City
Aug 6, 2007

Allen Hill wrote:
Swimming in alpine lakes in RMNP is something the rangers get real mad about as well. http://www.wadedavid.com/wdpages/wadedavidphoto.html your not helping your cause.


Allen,

Pointing out Wade's bathing photo has nothing to do with stashing crash pads, so one can only assume that you are trying to stir up trouble.

In addition to your post sounding inflammatory, it is misleading. Swimming is allowed in all of the lakes in RMNP except for Bear Lake. This is common knowledge to most locals, and you are welcome to call the park if in doubt. Granted, the photo doesn't state whether she is standing in Bear Lake, although that is not the point.


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By j.jaeger
Aug 6, 2007

cross post: a positive twist:

i believe it is now appropriate to start calling-out folks by name.

i'll start it off...

angie payne, kevin jorgenson, dave marquess, kelly mcbride, EZ, noah bigwood, eric decaria, lee payne, tj birchfield, chris shulte, and scott hahn each crush problems beyond the farthest reaches of my "physical imagination*".

however, based on memory and observation in rmnp and evans over the last four years, i have never seen them show up to a boulder without having carried in a pad that will accompany them home the same evening.

if i spent more time thinking about it, this list could easily expand. i'd encourage you to add names of folks setting a good example right at the cutting edge of our sport.

and, as far as the rest of us pad mules just going out and having fun on the rocks.... well, that list would crash this board.




[*new favorite nonsensicle phrase pulled from illogical weekend thread on FRB, subsequently removed in total by site admins.]


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By Buff Johnson
From Coniferous, CO
Aug 6, 2007
What happens when you:<br />1) have nothing to do<br />2) own a sharp knife<br />3) have a large lime<br />4) own a patient cat<br />5) drink too much tequila<br />6) and it's football season?<br /><br />(An e-mail I received; just know that no cat was harmed in the carving of this lime. Dogs Rule!!)

j.jaeger wrote:
... each crush problems beyond the farthest reaches ... and, as far as the rest of us pad mules just going out and having fun on the rocks.... well, that list would crash this board.


Until the Little Devil is sent without the use of pitons, gear, heel spurs, fixed pads, or other fanciful rope tricks; you cannot truly call yourself a crush master & must remain a mere pad mule.


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By Seth Murphy
Aug 6, 2007

Ternes wrote:
oh come on the guy just came to defend himself and let everyone know that he was not stashing pads or whatnot. this thread is not about him, theres no need for namecalling or slander. this thread is talking about a major issue in our community. lets not hijack the thread. (ive been up for 20 hours i apologize if this post doesn't make sense) back on topic? carry on. stashed pads in rmnp GO!



Not to argue your point, cause i certainly agree with no namecalling or slander, but for the record WADE'S "darthwader" was still under the Dali boulder at EVANS. Wade, I hope you have since removed it.


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By wade david
Aug 6, 2007

Oh the darth wader pad, thats gone. It was gone 3 weeks ago!


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By Seth Murphy
Aug 6, 2007

wade david wrote:
Oh the darth wader pad, thats gone. It was gone 3 weeks ago!


Much appreciated Wade. And by gone I hope you mean taken out, and not hidden better. But I'll just trust you did the right thing.

Thanks in advance, Seth


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By Avery N
From Boulder, CO
Aug 6, 2007
Canadian Rockies Ice 2008.

wade david wrote:
As for the pad stashing at Rocky Mountain N.P. I will not have any interaction with bring pads down but I will post a News Flash on the front page of my site (wadedavid.com) about the clean up dates.


wade david wrote:
Oh the darth wader pad, thats gone. It was gone 3 weeks ago!


What blows me away is that there are individuals sponsored by bouldering companies, who have been stashing their pads at various locations, which in turn threatens access to those climbing areas.

Is it not obvious that bad publicity and potential closures to large, well-known bouldering areas puts their sponsor at risk, from a business perspective (bouldering gets a bad rap, people don't have places to boulder -> less bouldering gear is sold). If those companies are not absolutely thriving, then the chances of continuing to be sponsored have got dwindle amazingly fast, if you're not THE superstar.

If you are sponsored, then by either contributing to the problem, or by not helping to resolve the issue -- you're effectively putting your sponsorship at risk. Duh! Try thinking about the whole picture.

I've never bought a crash pad, but I'm guessing the instructions don't say anything about "Don't leave your pad. Pack it in, Pack it out" Does anyone know differently?

It seems the bouldering companies and sponsors would be the first to want to correct the situation, to save their own livelihood. These companies and those are who sponsored should get their act together fast.

-Avery


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By Jimn Seiler
From North Platte, NE
Aug 6, 2007
Disco Superfly

I'm pretty sure that the lake the girl is in is Lake Hiyaha. I use to go to that lake a bunch around 1994, 95 and play around on all the car size to house size boulders up there, fishing was actually pretty good back then too.


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By wade david
Aug 6, 2007

I took the pad out and is now at home.


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By wade david
Aug 7, 2007

Avery Nelson and anyone else that disapproves of bouldering and the way some off us go about what we do, Thanks for speaking your mind Avery. What I am about to say is nothing against you or anyone else, this will be about what I see that has been happening as a boulderer and the community, so don't take it to seriously! I can not be entirely correct on what i am about to say.

The bouldering community is a entirely different community that you probably can't comprehend right now, you have to fully devote all your climbing time to Bouldering to understand the beauty of our sport, leaveing pads behind in the open and trashing areas I do disapprove of.

I think about 70% of all sponsored boulders aren't the people that are leaveing there pads up there, the other 38% are hiding them well so they don't get trashed, 2% of them are not. I think that is pretty accurate?

Being a sponsored climber means that you Believe in the product your wearing and are Devoted helping the people who make the product, Educating people around how great there product is, and how it has improved your climbing experience as a climber. All though there are very few people out there that take a sponsorship for granted.

Quote:I Like Trad, Sport, Ice, Aid and Mixed for sure! I just choose to be Stronger and have Fun Climbing on Boulders.

Boulder,
Wade David

I think this is my final post on this subject.


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By Buff Johnson
From Coniferous, CO
Aug 7, 2007
What happens when you:<br />1) have nothing to do<br />2) own a sharp knife<br />3) have a large lime<br />4) own a patient cat<br />5) drink too much tequila<br />6) and it's football season?<br /><br />(An e-mail I received; just know that no cat was harmed in the carving of this lime. Dogs Rule!!)

wade david wrote:
... I think about 70% of all sponsored boulders aren't the people that are leaveing there pads up there, the other 38% are hiding them well so they don't get trashed, 2% of them are not. I think that is pretty accurate? ... I think this is my final post on this subject.


Now go out there and give us 110% !!!

I boulder myself quite a bunch, usually solo, bouldering is great fun. I'm usually one of the "idiots" in the Meadows pebble popping highballs without a pad while everyone else is sitting about with Grand'itis.

Leaving the pads in wilderness is not fun. Many of us got notes from the USFS about it in the terms of access to wilderness, & I agree that it is not acceptable to trash the wilderness, but I don't agree that climbers are/should be the main focus of wilderness concerns. Let's keep the focus elsewhere.


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By Christopher Jones
From Bailey, Colorado
Aug 7, 2007
You can't climb all the time.

You beat me to it Mark, nice math skills Wade.


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By wade david
Aug 7, 2007

yes 110% I didn't make a mistake, I just figured that you guys would get what I ment, but I guess you guys are still trying to be above boulders on this subject. Boulders do alot of highballs to, I think it is safe to say that when someone makes a good point, by pointing out the differences between rope climbers and boulders, you all still have to nit-pick the subject.

WD


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By John McNamee
Administrator
From Littleton, CO
Aug 7, 2007
skiing one

This is all getting pretty stupid and we need to get back on track to what the issue is really about: "Lack of respect for the environment."

We are all climbers. I boulder, trad, sport, aid, etc. To me it is just climbing, regardless of what you want to call it. Lets not go down the road and play the blame game and single out special groups.

As a society of recreation users we just need to look after the resources we use. It's that simple. Whether it is stashed pads, old tape, or trash, just be kind to the environment.


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