Make me.

I also don't prance around with valuables in the third countries that travel I to a lot. Sometimes you are just asking for trouble and if you talk about shooting someone more than likely you are going to get it.

Scary how many people we have behind bars. Others civilized countries also don't have the same problems with crime or guns as this country does. Three strike and your out is a total bullshit law, certain drugs should be legal and like everything else in this country...more prisoners mean more money. Crimes rises in hard times and is lower when things are good. Putting people to work, training them to be productive, offering a health systems that benefits all Americans and changing some gun and drug laws would be a good start to lower crimes and less people behind bars.

Again, the reality is that the punishment does NOT fit the crime in pour justice system. A point I was recently abused about.

Who said I'd shoot anybody? I said it was not a bad thing.

I worked in Indonesia for the 2 years right before they threw Suharto out. Having recently been to Kenya, Tanzania, and Egypt, I've seen real despiration. The 'City Of the Dead' is Cairo is real poverty, and something most people in this country will never witness the likes of. Spending a day with a family there who live in teh tombs of who they claim to be an ancestor... They had a 7 year-old daughter crippled from birth who has never even seen a doctor to be diagnosed (C.P.). Remarkably, her name, translated to english is 'Smile.' Basma, I think it was. It makes it hard to feel too much pity for people who claim 'under privlidged' here. Anyone interested in the prison situation should join CCJRC. Check out CCJRC- Yes, I am a card carrying member. IE- trying 14 year olds as adults... total BS. Call your rep about Colorado HB 1208 and support it. Again, the reality is that the punishment does NOT fit the crime in pour justice system. A point I was recently abused about. And when you can't find work because of a prison record you got at 15, I guess you break into cars for the next 50 years of your life... and risk a butt full of birdshot.

I worked in Indonesia for the 2 years right before they threw Suharto out. Having recently been to Kenya, Tanzania, and Egypt, I've seen real despiration. The 'City Of the Dead' is Cairo is real poverty, and something most people in this country will never witness the likes of. Spending a day with a family there who live in teh tombs of who they claim to be an ancestor... They had a 7 year-old daughter crippled from birth who has never even seen a doctor to be diagnosed (C.P.). Remarkably, her name, translated to english is 'Smile.' Basma, .

With the .223 I got one over 100yards once. With the .220, I was consistently hitting them at over 200yds. But that gun has about a 10lb barrel, a bipod, a 10x scope, single shot. And talk about a hot round, 4000fps.

Stealing is common those areas...would you filled them with buckshot??

Jesus Christ, man. Stop feeling sorry for yourself. This: is the comment that I took issue with, and as I recall, I was addressing it to Bob - not you. The only abuse that you are receiving is in your own mind.

Decent with the .220 Swift, SprayJohn, but your .223 results could be improved. Someone on this thread got 2 consecutive hits at 360 yds. on a windy day with a .223. No need for other folks to defend John - we give each other deserved sh!t.

Sniff sniff.. (wrinkles nose) Yup, I guess it was me who tracked that in. I guess I should have realized that shit was on the bottom of my shoe before I walked into the chat room. Sorry everyone, I didn't meen to mess up the carpet.

I wasn't carrying a gun, and I don't know Egyptian law, and you know that. But if an adult tried to steal from me, I would do what was necessary to make it as unpleasant as possible. In otherwords, I would inflict as severe treatment as necessary to insure that the perp was unable to further proceed with any sort of attack. Depends how threatened I felt. If this means breaking fingers or a neck, I'd do it. Done it before, would do it again. Depends, do I think they have a knife? Do they look scared and will they flee or fight? If it was an 8 year old kid, I'd do what I did an Aswan (Egypt) and grab him by the arm and hand him over to an adult who speaks the language and knows the law and custom to take care of. The adult gave the kid quite a scare and a good solid kick in the seat of the pants. I can't say if it worked or not, but I can recognize surprise and fear in any kids eyes in any language, and it was certainly there.

I would let them take what little I had on me and not tried to be Indiana Jones. Tourists are targets in most country...America included. Most Lonely Planet guides give information on what areas to avoid and how not to make yourself a target. I also know that a stolen watch, camera or other small replaceable item can do in those countries...feed a family for month or more.

Regardless, I think the question is drifting from relivance, on my own part as well, as stealing a car stereo in CCC is not going to feed a 3rd world country's starving family for a week.

Your right...it's not and IMHO...it's also not worth losing life or limb over. A point which maybe you are missing.

They can then make that decision on the spot based on what they see at the time, should they catch someone in the act. But to say that fighting crime is not worth it... well- that's overly broad in my opinion.

I've been personally told by a sherrif's officer that it is a felony trespass if they are in there and I can defend that property as if it was my home.

So, if a thief takes a Bosch from someones car and it's in Boulder Canyon, is it still a crime? (har, har, har)

I think I would if the occasion did arise. I don't carry a gun or care too... I also think that SOME people are talking out of their ass here and just talking smack which is fun. I have been shot at once (coming out of work in PA)and had a gun pulled on me on two other occasions. It ain't pretty. Internet talk and reality are two very different things.

Colorado's "make my day" law permits the use of force, including deadly force, in certain circumstances to defend a dwelling--but not to defend a vehicle.