By Bob D'Antonio
From Superior, CO
Mar 6, 2008
| John Langston wrote: More off topic gun talk. My favorite type of hunting is for pheasants. Between the dog and having to hit something in the air, now we're having fun. Even there I use a 20 guage, the 12 was just cheating. All my guns are in WY in my dads safe though, so here in CO, you'll just have to listen to my shit talking.
Mine too...Used a 410 till I was about thirteen...then when to 16 gauge. |  |
By John Langston
Mar 6, 2008
| What kind of dog did you use? I'm convinced that the Vizla is the best bird dog in the world. That and they'll keep up with you for miles and miles of running without even panting in the non-hunting season. Hell, you can even climb trees with those crazy dogs.
So maybe they aren't too good for old people, too much energy. | |
By Bob D'Antonio
From Superior, CO
Mar 6, 2008
| John...had a German Shorthair....fucker was hardheaded and could run for days...not a good combination.
Funny...the only thing I do now is Catch and Release...I respect life now (I don't think hunting is wrong) on a whole different level than back then.
My wife and I are going to Panama next month to go birding...use a camera these days. | |
By Marc Horan
From Boulder, CO area
Mar 6, 2008
| John Langston wrote: PTFTW!!!
I've seen this one around before but can't decipher it. Anyone wanna help me out?
Thanks.
--Marc | |
By kirra
Mar 6, 2008
| maybe it's the sound that a prairie dog makes when John hits his mark
John your one cruel bastard...careful now, the Prairie Dog defenders could be watching | |
By Tim Stich
From Colorado Springs, Colorado
Mar 6, 2008
| Yeah, word up on not using your own guns. I have had occasion to present my pistols to an intruder at my rental house in college, but thought better of it and called in the police. Turned out the guy was just high on nitrous and some other stuff. They kept him for a night and let him go.
There are a lot of precedents for citizens videotaping criminal acts and that being used as evidence successfully in court. So that is your best bet fellow McGruff the Crime Dog deputies. I would just place a video camera in the bushes across the highway pointed at your car when you go climb. If you come back and something is amiss, you check out the tape. It's simple and doesn't cut into your fun. | |
By John Langston
Mar 6, 2008
| kirra wrote: maybe it's the sound that a prairie dog makes when John hits his mark John your one cruel bastard...careful now, the Prairie Dog defenders could be watching
An inside out prairie dog is not cruel, it's art. | |
By John Langston
Mar 6, 2008
| Tim Stich wrote: I would just place a video camera in the bushes across the highway pointed at your car when you go climb. If you come back and something is amiss, you check out the tape. It's simple and doesn't cut into your fun.
If my camera gets stolen, I'm gonna shoot someone!!! | |
By Marc Horan
From Boulder, CO area
Mar 6, 2008
| Marc Horan wrote: Anyone wanna help me out?
Guess not.
Don't forget that at least one thief has his picture posted online and that didn't seem to help. I guess you need a picture and a name.
--Marc | |
By Tim Stich
From Colorado Springs, Colorado
Mar 6, 2008
| John, just hollow out a prairie dog or raccoon carcass and put the camera in there with the lens poking out of the anus. No one will touch it. | |
By Tony Bubb
From Boulder, CO
Mar 6, 2008
| Bob D'Antonio wrote: Career criminals/petty thieves have been part of society forever...
So have lynchmobs and shootings.
Bob D'Antonio wrote: Shooting a person/or getting shot over a petty crime IMHO is just not worth it.
If putting birdshot in someone's butt is a major issue, what do you think of incarceration?
I think the latter is a worse injury. The point here is that career criminals have to have a 'life event' to change their ways. And I'm OK with it. Even if a few got shot AND KILLED, then maybe they wouldn't breed more of the same and whatnot, and crime would be a less attractive career.
It was about 2 years ago the mether was beat to death by a baseball bat in the home of the older boulder couple. He shouldn't have been there. I wonder where he would have been the next night, and the night after that, and the night after that... note he DID attack them with a knife when he got caught. The point here is that he was a 'petty criminal' by trade, but was a potential murderer too... and I am GLAD we are rid of him.
I've pulled a few vigilante moves in my life, and I am DEAD CERTAIN there is a young man out there who would be about 28 now, who will NEVER, NEVER throw lit fireworks into another moving vehicle in traffic again. He no longer fears being caught by the police. I suspect he's more worried about the other motorist.
Bob D'Antonio wrote: Maybe you should turn a gun on the career politicians who you feel are staling your money (Taxes) all the time.
If the law was on my side, I would. Thanks. | |
By Kevin Coopman
Mar 6, 2008
| How do you hollow out the anus big enough for the camera lens? | |
By Tim Stich
From Colorado Springs, Colorado
Mar 6, 2008
| Kevin Coopman wrote: How do you hollow out the anus big enough for the camera lens?
Well, uh, I don't really know the answer to that question. | |
By Tony Bubb
From Boulder, CO
Mar 6, 2008
| Bob D'Antonio wrote: Maybe you and Tony should stop talking on the internet, plan a sting and shoot a couple of the bastards when they break-in to your cars.
Who said I'd shoot anybody? I said it was not a bad thing, but I don't even go up CCC.
Bob D'Antonio wrote: I would rather call the police and try to settle the matter that way..that to me would be a good start.
Been there, done that. They will dust your car for prints, explain that why they took your AAA card was to get a motel discount with it, and that this happens whenever the Greatful Dead or Phish crowd is in town.
In case you have homeowners insurance, they will give you a copy of the police report detailing what you claim to have lost for insurance purposes.
Then they will call and tell you the prints didn't match anything on file and close the case.
Police are not adequately funded to prevent crime- they just can't do it. They don't even have the staff to address everything reported or to keep a good eye on their own.
As one sheriff put it- 'If you call us on the phone, it will be a while before we get there. If someone is breaking into your home, I hope you are armed.'
That notwithstanding, we don't really need so many traffic speed traps and whatnot. But the po-po can't babysit parked cars. | |
By Jared Workman
From Boulder
Mar 6, 2008
| Mark Nelson wrote: I blame Jared for everything here.
Damn, caught :) | |
By Bob D'Antonio
From Superior, CO
Mar 6, 2008
| Tony...degrees of seriousness of crimes deserve punishment to go along with it. I just don't think it's worth shooting someone over a break-in, that in a empty car.
The Police catch criminals all the time and others get away. No one bats a thousand and I'm not going to insult the service that do on a whole.
Do what ever you want...I don't think pounding on your keyboard is solving the problem (IMHO).
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By Ken Cangi
From Boulder, CO
Mar 6, 2008
| Bob D'Antonio wrote: Tony...degrees of seriousness of crimes deserve punishment to go along with it. I just don't it's worth shooting someone over a break-in, in a empty car. The Police catch criminals all the time and others get away. No one bats a thousand and I'm not going to insult the service that do on a whole. Do what ever you want...I don't think pounding on your keyboard is solving the problem (IMHO).
I agree, Bob. Tony obviously doesn't understand the concept of punishment fitting the crime. Shooting someone for vandalizing an empty vehicle is - by every measure - excessive force. Even police officers, except maybe in some podunk, backwater towns, would be brought under serious scrutiny for using deadly force. A private citizen would most likely be convicted of 1st or 2nd degree murder for the same offense.
Tony, that you have no problem with ending someone's life for breaking into an empty vehicle speaks volumes about your character. Sadly, based on so much of what you post, I am not surprised by your attitude. | |
By kirra
Mar 6, 2008
| Ken Cangi wrote: Shooting someone for vandalizing an empty vehicle is - by every measure - excessive force.
Ken would target practice for the next Ice Axe throwing contest also be considered excessive force..?
(: | |
By Bob D'Antonio
From Superior, CO
Mar 6, 2008
| Mark Nelson wrote: bad boys bad boys. whacha gonna do when they come for you? bad boys bad boys. whach gonna do?? filmed on location. suspects are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law but not before a smackdown is put on their collective butts!
I grew up in a very rough area and had to learn to defend myself or run. I always took the former (defend) way. The great thing about a ass kicking (getting or giving) is that you fight, someone wins and someone loses...but you both wake up the next day, maybe gaining a little respect for each other and you are both alive. Guns in the equation kind of changes that.
Shooting some poor fucker for petty car crimes is fucking inhumane...plain and simple. | |
By Tony Bubb
From Boulder, CO
Mar 6, 2008
| Ken Cangi wrote: I agree, Bob. Tony obviously doesn't understand the concept of punishment fitting the crime. Shooting someone for vandalizing an empty vehicle is - by every measure - excessive force. Even police officers, except maybe in some podunk, backwater towns, would be brought under serious scrutiny for using deadly force. A private citizen would most likely be convicted of 1st or 2nd degree murder for the same offense. Tony, that you have no problem with ending someone's life for breaking into an empty vehicle speaks volumes about your character. Sadly, based on so much of what you post, I am not surprised by your attitude.
Ken
"Sigh" (says history, just before repeating itself)
Character? I can't take a word you speak about character with anything other than humor or scrutiny. Being that you are a total internet jackass and I've had enough of your shit over the last year. I'm glad you don't like me. Good, stay away and do not darken my door or internet equivalent of it.
I'm not even going to discuss your bullshit 'points' in detail because they are so unrelated to anything I've said. As usual, you just want an arguement.
Go play elsewhere. | |
By Ken Cangi
From Boulder, CO
Mar 6, 2008
| Tony Bubb wrote: Go play elsewhere.
Make me. | |
By Tony Bubb
From Boulder, CO
Mar 6, 2008
| Bob D'Antonio wrote: Tony...degrees of seriousness of crimes deserve punishment to go along with it. I just don't think it's worth shooting someone over a break-in, that in a empty car. The Police catch criminals all the time and others get away. No one bats a thousand and I'm not going to insult the service that do on a whole. Do what ever you want...I don't think pounding on your keyboard is solving the problem (IMHO).
Agreed on all points, but...
1) In the big picture, they are not trying to break into empty cars, they are hoping to find them full and take things. I am talking about habitual theives, not vandals. I think a butt full of birdshot is no problem for a career criminal. I think it is kinder than a butt full of Biff's 'you know what' in prison, or a felony record that makes getting on with lifde possible. I do NOT think that prison reforms most people. Ever been to jail? It is not a nice place and certainly is not going to stabilize someone at the margins of society. Prison is that much worse I am sure, but I have never been to prison and can't attest to it.
2) I agree - they catch some, they don't catch some. I was not trying to insult the Po-Po. They can't catch them all because they can't. And they can't babysit parked cars. Though I generally don't care for the individuals who want to be cops (ever read the composite personality, personal history, or psychiatric profile of a group of cops?), I know a few that are real stand-up types that don't need to throw their weight around. The Telluride Sheriff, Bill Masters is a great guy and has a very real and common sense approach to crime. He is the one who said he can't get a patrol car there in time to prevent a break in if you call. He says people should be armed or otherwise prepared to defend themselves and their property. I generally agree.
3) I never said I was solving a problem. I stated my ethical stance. If I caught someone half in my car and half out of it, and they don't see me coming, god help them. I've been personally told by a sherrif's officer that it is a felony trespass if they are in there and I can defend that property as if it was my home. And I will assume that they are armed and dangerous and will try to hurt me if I confront them. So I'll close the door with them half in it. Hitting the door with 170lbs at 20MPH, would likely apprehend an intruder. Nuff said. | |
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