By Tim Stich
From Colorado Springs, Colorado
Mar 6, 2008
| The best thing to shoot is hi def video with a telephoto lens. These security cameras aren't worth beans, they are so low definition. Then follow the kid and call in their car as you drive. Police arrive and you hand over the evidence. DA gets an easy conviction. You got it. |  |
By Jared Workman
From Boulder
Mar 6, 2008
| Mike Morin wrote: By possessing a firearm in Clear Creek Canyon you were in violation of JeffCo OS rules.
Not if you have a concealed carry permit, the court has sided with the state in the matter of firearms and home rules and local municipalities have no authority over the posession of handguns held by CCW holders other than to deny them the right to open carry. The standard places - schools, federal land, buildings with guards and or metal detectors at every door, etc still apply but feel free to carry your pistol anywhere else if you've got a permit.
Here are the laws http://www.rmgo.org/faq/#General
Here is a link to the Colorado statutes where they can be verified
http://198.187.128.12/colorado/lpext.dll?f=templates&fn=fs-m>>>>>
Boulder OSMP tries that garbage as well, they are outside of their legal limits and it's a bluff. | |
By Ken Cangi
From Boulder, CO
Mar 6, 2008
| I'm starting to see a script here. | |
By Joey Wolfe
Mar 6, 2008
| kevin fox wrote: Look, if are vice president can take a load of bird shot at close range and live
close but that is not as funny as what actually happen. Dick was the shooter. | |
By Mark Nelson
From Coniferous, CO
Mar 6, 2008
| Here's one: I'm tooling around some boulders and scrambles in the forest. Fairly easy to access for the public. I top out on something and here is this guy standing with a sidearm.
We get to talking and he's from Gamecock country -- a wanna be redneck area (sorry, can't help it, I'm a Seminole). So I ask him what he's packin. Some type of Sat. night special. So I ask him: "Hey, did you file the nose sight off?"
"Well, no. What the heck ya do that fer??"
So it won't hurt so much when the bear/lion shoves it up your ass.
Peace out!
(Langston - you couldn't hit the broadside of a barn, friggin cow puncher. You guys have a hard enough time hitting all the roadsigns) | |
By Bob D'Antonio
From Superior, CO
Mar 6, 2008
| Mark Nelson wrote: Peace out! (Langston - you couldn't hit the broadside of a barn, friggin cow puncher. You guys have a hard enough time hitting all the roadsigns)
John thinks just because he is from Wyoming that he is some tough guy/cowboy or great shot with a gun....didn't he see Brokeback Mountain??? | |
By Tony Bubb
From Boulder, CO
Mar 6, 2008
| Bob D'Antonio wrote: Over a car stereo or something like that...funny.
I'm OK with it. There is no space in open society for career criminals.
You think that's all this person is doing wrong? Stealing stereos? Uh huh... No. | |
By Tony Bubb
From Boulder, CO
Mar 6, 2008
| Mark Nelson wrote: (Langston - you couldn't hit the broadside of a barn, friggin cow puncher. You guys have a hard enough time hitting all the roadsigns)
Roadsigns are hard to hit- what with being drunk and in a moving car and all. Maybe he could hit a live target! | |
By Marc Horan
From Boulder, CO area
Mar 6, 2008
| Paul Hunnicutt wrote: Is there anywhere "safe" to park?
It's safe to park anywhere if you take all of your shit with you and also either:
1) Leave at least one visible window rolled down and all of the doors unlocked.
or
2) Put a sign on your vehicle stating that all of the doors are unlocked; anyone is welcome to see for themselves that there's nothing of value in the car.
--Marc
Edit:
Bob, I heard these thieves were talking shit about your ethics. They were using words like dingus, retard and ridiculous. :)
I'm just kidding, Bob; I'm not trying to start anything back up. I was just hoping you would take care of the problem.. | |
By Bob D'Antonio
From Superior, CO
Mar 6, 2008
| Tony Bubb wrote: I'm OK with it. There is no space in open society for career criminals. You think that's all this person is doing wrong? Stealing stereos? Uh huh... No.
Career criminals/petty thieves have been part of society forever...
Shooting a person/or getting shot over a petty crime IMHO is just not worth it.
Maybe you should turn a gun on the career politicians who you feel are staling your money (Taxes) all the time. | |
By Mark Nelson
From Coniferous, CO
Mar 6, 2008
| I blame Jared for everything here. | |
By Bob D'Antonio
From Superior, CO
Mar 6, 2008
| Marc Horan wrote: --Marc Edit: Bob, I heard these thieves were talking shit about your ethics. They were using words like dingus, retard and ridiculous. :) I'm just kidding, Bob; I'm not trying to start anything back up. I was just hoping you would take care of the problem..
Marc...don't confuse style with ethics.
What problem are you talking about?? | |
By Marc Horan
From Boulder, CO area
Mar 6, 2008
| Bob D'Antonio wrote: Marc...don't confuse style with ethics.
:)
Bob wrote: What problem are you talking about??
The problem of thieves stealing from climbers in CC.
--Marc | |
By Bob D'Antonio
From Superior, CO
Mar 6, 2008
| Marc Horan wrote: :) The problem of thieves stealing from climbers in CC. --Marc
I think I would if the occasion did arise.
I don't carry a gun or care too...
I also think that SOME people are talking out of their ass here and just talking smack which is fun.
I have been shot at once (coming out of work in PA)and had a gun pulled on me on two other occasions. It ain't pretty.
Internet talk and reality are two very different things. | |
By Marc Horan
From Boulder, CO area
Mar 6, 2008
| Bob D'Antonio wrote: Internet talk and reality are two very different things.
I agree. But I would also say that some good has come out of internet talk. I would venture to say that it's possible that a few MP.com users could come up with a legal and viable plan to catch these thieves if they were really motivated enough to put it into place. It would take some material and time-consuming sacrifice, but it could be done.
I also agree that there is some bravado and smack talking going on that's going to get us nowhere, except a few laughs. I'm not necessarily opposed to the laughs, but I agree that it's going to get us nowhere.
If people are really interested in putting together a plan to try and catch this/these guy(s) than I'm down. We could get together in Boulder for a beer and discussion. Just a thought...
I've never had a gun pointed at me and wouldn't mind if I lived the rest of my life without being put in that terrifying position. I also agree with Tony that there's no place in society for these fuckers. It's simply not fair for hard-working citizens to have their shit jacked on a regular basis, especially when there's relatively well-funded law enforcement in the area.
Just some food for thought.
--Marc | |
By Ken Cangi
From Boulder, CO
Mar 6, 2008
| Tony Bubb wrote: I'm OK with it. There is no space in open society for career criminals. You think that's all this person is doing wrong? Stealing stereos? Uh huh... No.
The above comment is a perfect example of why we have laws and law enforcement - instead of vigilante justice - to deal with such issues.
All this macho talk about guns and violence is doing absolutely nothing toward solving the problem. If everyone in this forum were as proactive about insisting that the Golden police take this situation more seriously, we might actually resolve the problem. By many of these posts, my question is: Do you really want to stop these thefts, or would you rather spend your time puffing up your chests in here?
The first step is to catch these thieves in the act. That takes intelligence and cunning (surveillance, diligent observations, etc.). Secondly, the police need to be notified and presented with the evidence every single time one of these attempted thefts occurs. If after this the police still refuse to take action, then the local news stations should be given the evidence and told that the police aren't doing their job. That type of bad press is usually enough to get law enforcement to do its job.
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By Joey Wolfe
Mar 6, 2008
| Bob D: I also think that SOME people are talking out of their ass here and just talking smack which is fun.
Internet talk and reality are two very different things. end quote
I'd agree, when I was 21 I stayed at collage over the summer to enjoy drinking legally in the uncrowded bars. I took a cab home one night and left my car at the pub(should have just taken the cab there, but i am cheap). I was awoken in the middle of the night to the sounds of my den getting trashed. I was scared as shit. I got my Mossberg shotgun out of the closet and stood there with it like i was about to jump off a cliff. Well, a Mossberg is LOUD when you cock it. He took off towards the back of the house as soon as he heard it. I step into the hall way, saw him, took aim, and just couldn't do it. He damn near did a superman out of the back window, and I'm still not sure why i fired the shot gun into the wall(did i mention i was scared), i think i did it as a warning or I twitched. It did seem to ease my nerves. My land lord was a real redneck and thought it was funny as hell that i had taken a shot at the thief, I didn't tell him I shot the wall once the guy was in the backyard. Point is, shooting someone is easy to speculate about, real hard to do. | |
By Mark Nelson
From Coniferous, CO
Mar 6, 2008
| Ken, minor item, but this is a Jeffco & Blackhawk deal -- & possibly state trooper.
I believe Jeffco & Blackhawk are aware. | |
By kirra
Mar 6, 2008
| Bob D'Antonio wrote: I have been shot at once (coming out of work in PA)and had a gun pulled on me on two other occasions. It ain't pretty. Internet talk and reality are two very different things.
Bob, don't you think having a gun pointed at you when you are innocent (being robbed) and having a gun pointed at you because you are doing something wrong are 2 different things - ethically..?
Perhaps these jokers are street punks & never confronted. A good scare (not fatal) might help set them straight. Video camera & paint balls seem reasonable..? -provided no one gets hurt... | |
By Bob D'Antonio
From Superior, CO
Mar 6, 2008
| Marc Horan wrote: I also agree with Tony that there's no place in society for these fuckers. It's simply not fair for hard-working citizens to have their shit jacked on a regular basis, especially when there's relatively well-funded law enforcement in the area. Just some food for thought. --Marc
Maybe you and Tony should stop talking on the internet, plan a sting and shoot a couple of the bastards when they break-in to your cars.
I would rather call the police and try to settle the matter that way..that to me would be a good start. | |
By Bob D'Antonio
From Superior, CO
Mar 6, 2008
| kirra wrote: Bob, don't you think having a gun pointed at you when you are innocent (being robbed) and having a gun pointed at you because you are doing something wrong are 2 different things - ethically..? Perhaps these jokers are street punks & never confronted. A good scare (not fatal) might help set them straight. Just an idea ~
Yeah they are different...The results are usually the same.
I got a gun pulled on me when I was fifteen working at a gas station...I gladly handed the money over...in fact I would have filled his tank, changed his oil and help carry out safe if I had too.
People we are talking (as wrong as is) a minor crime. Let the authorities do their jobs and let us do what we know about...climb rocks. | |
By kirra
Mar 6, 2008
| Bob D'Antonio wrote: Let the authorities do their jobs and let us do what we know about...climb rocks.
and glue potatoes... (-:
Bob, just joking ~(: >~ sincerely...*hug* | |
By Ken Cangi
From Boulder, CO
Mar 6, 2008
| Mark Nelson wrote: Ken, minor item, but this is a Jeffco & Blackhawk deal -- & possibly state trooper. I believe Jeffco & Blackhawk are aware.
Who has jurisdiction over the area is a minor detail. My point is that we need to be proactive in procurring real evidence and then hounding law enforcement every single time this happens until it gets resolved. | |
By Marc Horan
From Boulder, CO area
Mar 6, 2008
| Bob D'Antonio wrote: Maybe you and Tony should stop talking on the internet, plan a sting and shoot a couple of the bastards when they break-in to your cars.
Recently, I've been talking about a legal and viable plan to catch these guys; very much inline with what you're talking about.
When I mentioned guns earlier, I was simply referencing a law that was passed in FL some years ago that pertained to people protecting their possessions with firearms. I also stated that I don't own a gun; that I don't plan on shooting anyone; and that I was interested in understanding the legal ramifications when and if a confrontation with thieves turned physical.
Just so there's no misunderstanding this time, Bob, I agree with you that if this problem is going to be handled by climbers themselves, it should be done in a 100% legal manner.
Edit: I also agree that guns don't necessarily need to be involved.
--Marc | |
By John Langston
Mar 6, 2008
| Mark Nelson wrote: (Langston - you couldn't hit the broadside of a barn, friggin cow puncher. You guys have a hard enough time hitting all the roadsigns)
I'm certainly no cowboy. I hate that shit.
I have however been paid by landowners to hang out in a field for an afternoon and shoot prairie dogs.
With the .22 I could generally plunk them from 50 or 60 feet. With the .223 I got one over 100yards once.
With the .220, I was consistently hitting them at over 200yds. But that gun has about a 10lb barrel, a bipod, a 10x scope, single shot. And talk about a hot round, 4000fps.
Ever seen what happens to a prarie dog if you hit it with a high powered rifle? Stick that in your Celestial Seasonings and smoke it.
More off topic gun talk. My favorite type of hunting is for pheasants. Between the dog and having to hit something in the air, now we're having fun. Even there I use a 20 guage, the 12 was just cheating.
All my guns are in WY in my dads safe though, so here in CO, you'll just have to listen to my shit talking. | |
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