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Otto's Route 

5.8+

   

FA: John Otto, July 4, 1911.
Type: Trad, Chipped
Consensus: 5.8+ [details]
Length: 5 pitches, 400 feet, Grade II
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Submitted By: Ben Mottinger on Jan 1, 2001


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George Bell finishing off the crux on the last pit...


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A nice climb in four short pitches finishing with the last exposed and dramatic prow to the summit. It's on the shady side of the monument, so warm days are preferable. The FA, Otto, drilled and chopped many holds in the soft sandstone to aid up this route with pipes in the holes, but now just the holes remain, which gives the route a moderate rating.

P1: Start on the NW side near the East end at a right-angling ramp (5.4) past chopped steps to a large ledge with a crack to protect for a belay.

P2: Head up the wide crack (#4 Camalot at the top) and exit the slot to another large ledge. The 2" drilled holes can be protected with the tricams.

P3: 3rd class through the Time Tunnel up the ramp below a face with some drilled angles. Climb this short pitch to Lunchbox Ledge, a large belay spot with a terrific view. Three drilled angles at the belay.

P4: The awesome crux pitch. Take the chopped steps to the right up the easy, but runout and exposed face. Some drilled angles protect the final overhang on good holds to the belay ledge. A short hop up off this ledge gains the summit.

To descend, make a double rope rap past Lunchbox Ledge to the large shelf with the Time Tunnel. Traverse down the small tunnel to a short rap to a large ledge (top of 2nd pitch). Look for the last double rope rap to the right at the edge of the ledge, which was the top of the first pitch.


Protection 

A small rack of cams with a 1.5 and 2 tricam, and a #4 Camalot. About 6 draws should do and several shoulder slings. Two ropes (for the rap).



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Ben Schneider at the belay ledge before the final pitch--what a view.

Ben Schneider at the belay ledge before the final ...

Taken from the Saddlehorn CG area.  You won't see sunshine on this route until pitch 4.  4/13/2002

BETA PHOTO: Taken from the Saddlehorn CG area. You won't see ...

The lower part of Otto's Route.  Green X's mark fixed anchors at the top of the first two pitches.

BETA PHOTO: The lower part of Otto's Route. Green X's mark fi...

Schneider on the rare "sport" pitch of the route.

Schneider on the rare "sport" pitch of the route.

Rapping down the Monument--what red soil! Crazy!

Rapping down the Monument--what red soil! Crazy!

Dan Mottinger finishing the overhanging and exposed pitch--quite a rush.

Dan Mottinger finishing the overhanging and expose...

Ben Gnorga leading pitch 5 to the summit.  taken 4/13/2002

Ben Gnorga leading pitch 5 to the summit. taken 4...

You think you're tough, Here's Zane age 5 or 6 finishing up the final overhang (with a little aid)

You think you're tough, Here's Zane age 5 or 6 fin...

Jason pulling the final overhang.

Jason pulling the final overhang.

On the summit in March of '03

On the summit in March of '03

Warren starting pitch 2, with the nasty flare visible above.

Warren starting pitch 2, with the nasty flare visi...

Warren beginning the crux of pitch 2.

Warren beginning the crux of pitch 2.

Following on Pitch 3 of Otto's Route.

Following on Pitch 3 of Otto's Route.

Sara on the second to last pitch of Otto's route.

Sara on the second to last pitch of Otto's route.

Eli starting the offwidth crux of pitch 2.

Eli starting the offwidth crux of pitch 2.

Eli punches his way through the difficulties.

Eli punches his way through the difficulties.

That black tri-cam might slow him down.

That black tri-cam might slow him down.

Bob finishing the last pitch.  Two drilled pockets can easily be seen in the left hand side of the picture.  The pockets greatly reduce the difficulty of the climbing.

BETA PHOTO: Bob finishing the last pitch. Two drilled pockets...

A top out photo

A top out photo

Tim in the tunnel through time.

Tim in the tunnel through time.

Tim on the final pitch.

Tim on the final pitch.

Peter and Patty marrying at the top of Independence Monument after climbing Otto's Route on May 8, 2007

Peter and Patty marrying at the top of Independenc...

Otto has diminished in size since first setting up his route, but he still hangs out at the summit in his comfy ammunition box.

Otto has diminished in size since first setting up...

Another shot of somebody (in this case, my husband) sitting on top of Otto's route.  He couldn't find any pro below the pitons on his way up.  Exciting lead!

Another shot of somebody (in this case, my husband...

Charles Vernon in the crux at the top of pitch 2, Otto's Route.

Charles Vernon in the crux at the top of pitch 2, ...

Kurt Johnson belays Carl Pelletier at the top of pitch 2, Otto's Route. Photo by Kristen Wilson.

Kurt Johnson belays Carl Pelletier at the top of p...

A photo of one or both of our beloved founders (Mike and/or Ben...it's been so long I forgot) at the top of Otto's Route circa 2001, I think.

A photo of one or both of our beloved founders (Mi...

Charles Vernon at the crux, Otto's Route.

Charles Vernon at the crux, Otto's Route.

Charles Vernon looks out from the summit of Independence Monument after finishing Otto's Route.

Charles Vernon looks out from the summit of Indepe...

Carl Pelletier tags the top of Otto's Route, Independence Monument.

Carl Pelletier tags the top of Otto's Route, Indep...

Rappeling from the summit of Independence Monument to the second belay of Otto's Route.

Rappeling from the summit of Independence Monument...


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By Steve Levin
Jan 1, 2001

The first chipped route in the state! More of a face climb than a crack climb. In recent years this route has been closed for nesting birds late winter to mid-summer, so call the headquarters first to see if it is open. Ottos route can get very crowded, especially on weekends at high season. Because the descent line overlaps the route, be prepared to encounter other parties and take care to not throw your ropes down on anyone or knock rocks. Also, because Ottos is north facing, this is a poor choice for mid-winter or cold spring days, but can be climbed mid-summer without getting heat stroke.

By Anonymous Coward
Nov 5, 2001

This route can be rappelled in two raps with double 60m cords. The first one heads north from the summit anchors to the top of the Time Tunnel. Scramble down to the anchors at the beginning of the tunnel (top of pitch two). From here, rap directly off the north side to the ground. This rap does not follow the climbing route. When there are mulitple parties on the route, this rappel is the best option as you will not be in anybody's way or knock rocks on anybody. The last rappel requires 50m cords.

By Andrew Gram
Administrator
From: Denver, CO
Nov 19, 2001

I thought the second pitch was the crux-I was struggling on that much more than on the summit overhangs. The second to last pitch was no harder than 5.6, not 5.8 as at least the Bjornstad guide indicates.

Great unique route, definitely 8+ or maybe even 9-

By Tyson S Arp
Aug 16, 2002

Funny how everyone's perceptions are different. My wife and I both expected this route to be much harder. I' wouldn't call it any more than a 7+. The only real interesting moves were the last three--and that's because it's so darn sandy and worn from too much traffic.

By Brad Brandewie
Nov 22, 2002

I agree with Andrew. I thought the second pitch was the crux.

By Warren Teissier
Apr 14, 2003

Let's see, we just climbed this on 4/12/03.

What a surreal route. A must do if in the area.

The third pitch Off-Width is definitely size-dependent: Tall / slender people will fare better than chubbier / shorter ones. It is burly for sure, but protects very well with large cams and a sling around a chockstone.

The last pitch felt insecure. The chopped holds have turned into gritty sloppers. The reaches ae loooong and the pins looked just O.K. Felt like 5.9 to us.

Otto was a wild man, he climbed this in Cowboy boots!

Ironic that he was responsible for both chopping a 5 pitch route up the most beautiful formation in the Monument and leading the charge to turn the area into a National Monument thus ensuring its preservation.

Perhaps the same thing will one day happen with the Sports Park, NOT!

WT

By Bob D'Antonio
From: Superior, CO
Apr 15, 2003

Why isn't this route classified with the chipped and modify routes?

By Ben Mottinger
Founding Father
Apr 15, 2003

I updated the route to modified as it should most definitely be.

By Andrew Gram
Administrator
From: Denver, CO
Apr 16, 2003

I think its pretty silly to blacklist this route. Yes, the holds are not natural, but since it occurred *way* before there was even a thing called climbing ethics, try as I might I can't get too worked up over the defacement.

By Bob D'Antonio
From: Superior, CO
Apr 16, 2003

Classic, surreal, one of the best route in the area! This is what has been said about (no were not talking about the "Naked Edge") Otto's Route, a chipped and gouged-out route, up a beautiful 500 foot desert tower. So we were ready to lynch the crew at the "Sport Park" for some chipped holds and mis-placed bolts, and we heap praises on this chopped-up route. I don't get it?

By Dougald MacDonald
Apr 16, 2003

I never really looked at Otto's Route as a climbing route anyway. It's more like a super-advanced trail or via ferrata to a great summit.

By Joe Collins
Apr 16, 2003

In a word, Bob, the answer to your question is: history. No one is going to argue that Otto's route has stellar climbing... in fact if you ask me, the climbing blows. The reason it's classic is because Otto had a vision, that by the standards of the early-1900s was insane. It wasn't ethically appalling back then to use these methods to climb. Its amazing to climb this route and think of the determination and obsessiveness that drove Otto to the top. The route is more of a museum relic... that and the summit is pretty darn cool. The sport park developers and chippers of today know better.

By Ben Mottinger
Founding Father
Apr 16, 2003

I agree, Andrew, that I'm not worked up or disturbed about the drilled holes on this route when I'm climbing it (since it did occur so long ago) but my intent of placing it on the modified route list was to back our stance of indiscriminate classification of modified routes. "Blacklisting" it was not meant to deter people from the climb, but just to make more people aware of the chipping issue on the whole.

By Jonathan. D.
May 5, 2003

Excellent !!! Great Feel Good climb. The final move onto the roof is blistering ....Kudos Mr. Otto.

By Peter Spindloe
Administrator
From: North Vancouver, BC
Oct 31, 2003

The only rappel that requires double ropes is the last one (ie. to the ground), but a single 70m rope will get you down with a foot or two to spare. Less to pack in and out, less to haul, and less to drag over scree-covered ledges (helmets most highly recommended).

By ET
May 22, 2004

Rappelling: Ok you could Rap the whole route with 1 60 or 70 if you did 4 raps; however its probably better to do it in 2 2rope Rappels. Use 2 60 meters to rappel from the summit to the time tunnel. Hike the time tunnel to belay station 2 then 2 60's to the ground (50meters will not work). This is probably better then trying the rap from the summit to lunchbox ledge.

By Dustin Bauer
Jun 3, 2004

Ol' Otto you one crazy REDNECK! any ways did the route [Memorial] Weekend 04. I have to say the route was the easiest "5.8ish" [I've] ever done. Compared to the Durrance on DT which is 5.7ish this is a walk in the park. Little exposure, Monster "HOLES" some how perfectly placed.. Rapping down and a family of 5 having a picnic after time tunnel. All other aside in 1911 on the last pitch wearing cowboy boots with a [chisel] and hand drill in the other hand I must say Otto you one crazy REDNECK!

By Anonymous Coward
Aug 18, 2004

The crux move is definitely harder than 5.8. I've done this route 4 times now, and it feels like a burly 9 move to me. With that said, it's a great route that demands a helmet given all the other parties that are going to be going up and down it when you are. It truly is a proud formation, especially when viewed from the east. So good!!!!!

By Elijah Flenner
Jan 9, 2006

After climbing this route on 1/09/06, I wanted to provide a warning on some of the gear mentioned above. The chockstone on pitch 2 is about to fall out. When I got to the chimney, the chockstone was slung with a piece of webbing and a cord. I clipped the cord and pull tested it. The cord ended up at my knees and the chockstone dropped a little bit. It should not be trusted. Fortunately, the gear there is great (I placed a 3.5 and a 4.0 camalot). I also could not find a good placement on the last pitch for a 2.0 tri-cam before the pins. A larger tri-cam might have worked.

Also, it appears that the pins on the last pitch have been recently replaced, but I don't know how recent. They were all shiny and new looking.

In my opinion, the position on the last pitch is great, but the climging is uninteresting due to the drilled pockets. However, without the pockets the climbing would be much harder on the last pitch as well as the second pitch.

By Ben Boykin
Mar 27, 2007

Suggestion: Somebody take 4 quicklinks up next time you go, to place at the rappel points. They're all singles, just think it'd be prudent to have two links on each rap station, instead of one.

I'll do it if nobody else will. Thanks

By Jovan
Nov 16, 2007

If anyone is interested in speed climbing possibilities of this route, my friend Andres and I simul-climbed it in 10 minutes and 24 seconds on Nov 9, 07. It could definitely be done in less, I was having to do the mountaineer's rest step on the slab of the last pitch due too lack of cardio fitness.

By Ben Kiessel
Nov 17, 2007

Hell yeah, Jovan! I wonder what the speed record is? I bet it's been free soloed pretty fast.

By Jovan
Nov 17, 2007

I don't know. The only other people I know of that have tried speed climbing it did it in twenty something minutes (they couldn't remember, it was back in the late 80s) and 18 minutes. I personally could not go as fast soloing due to no margin for error. (Not that simul-climbing leaves much room either.)

By Ben Kiessel
Nov 17, 2007

That is a good point, the rock is sandy enough that it is not impossible to slip.

By Ryan Jennings
Nov 18, 2007

Don't get too excited it's been done in well under 10 minutes. Probably gets speed climbed more often than you think. What's the going speed for car to car?

By Jesse Zacher
From: Grand Junction, Co
Nov 19, 2007

Why speed climb the thing at all. One section of 5.8 the rest a sandy mess.

By Dan Mottinger
Nov 21, 2007

Fixed gear alert/info: the second anchor has one of of its two expansion bolts moving around a bit in the hole

By Jovan
Nov 25, 2007

Ryan, what is the fastest time you've heard of, just curious what the record is?

By Ryan Jennings
Nov 26, 2007

Nothing comfirmed but I've heard of ascents in the 7-9 minute range. Talked with a friend this morning who remembers their time being 8min40sec but it was quite a few years ago. I always remembered him saying 7min something.

Sandy mess, Jesse? It's desert rock, so of course there is sand, but it's got to be one of the cleaner routes in the desert and the climbing throughout is actually quite enjoyable. With the abundant protection and easy climbing, it's perfect for speed climbing. You speed climb to learn specific techniques for moving fast. You learn to be efficient as a team. You learn what is possible which gives you confidence to tackle a more ambitious project. For those who venture onto the larger faces, speed often equals safety and just like everything it must be practiced. Otto's is great practice. There are plenty of big routes around the world that require fast efficient climbing on nothing harder than 5.9.

By brent armstrong
From: Closer to RR than the Strip
Nov 26, 2007

After much deep contemplation, I have developed the most efficient roped party technique to speedclimb Otto's.

This latest advancement in speedclimbing technology was inspired after watching a program on Niagara Falls daredevils....

My system requires only three components. It's genius lies in its simplicity!

The use of a 20m cord (the minimum to facilitate descent)
A small infant (optimally less than 15 kg).
An impenetrable sphere.

Now, I know a lot of you ethical types are already thinking "taint". But, I find my system really comes into its own on the descent. When the ball doubles as a retrievalbe chalk.

The times savings from THIS BELAY ALONE!!!! should be enough SHATTER current speed records.

By jbarnum
Mar 13, 2008

Climbed it two days ago. Ice at the second belay and getting up into the Time Tunnel. Cold Toes. I was shocked to find foot prints in the snow patches up there. Some wizard left the register open and it was filled with water. I poured it out, however the book and contents are soaked. I did not bring it down since I did not have a bag or anything, and the register might be saved if left to dry out. I am sure it will get replaced this summer, at some point. Just plan ahead with a bag or something. Lot of trash in that box.