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The Consideration 

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FA: Pat Ament
Type: Boulder
Consensus: V3-4 [details]
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Submitted By: Patrick Vernon on Jan 1, 2001


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BETA PHOTO: Ian making the big first move.


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Begin on the good hole on Contemplation, use this for your left hand and make a big move up to a good large edge. From here cross over with the left hand to a bad crimp, rearrange your feet and make a committing throw out right to a good left trending rail. A good classic problem.


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To the crimp...

BETA PHOTO: To the crimp...

...hit the rail, and around the corner.  consider it done.

BETA PHOTO: ...hit the rail, and around the corner. consider ...


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By pfwein
From: South Boulder
2 days ago

Someone should add Reverse Consideration: I'll try to do that when I take a camera there. Basically you go up to the first ledge with your left hand, and then directly to the "left trending rail" with your right hand. You don't use what is described as the bad crimp. Getting your feet arranged properly is important.

By pfwein
From: South Boulder
2 days ago

Chip, my description was from an old timer, and it is a high quality problem as I describe it (I have done it, although not today). It's interesting that your guide doesn't seem to have the problem I describe: maybe I'm just not reading your guide right. I'd like to know the correct name, as it's a great problem, IMHO.
Peter W

Edit: What I describe is the same as "True Consideration" on Chip Phillips' website, except that you don't match on the "crimp rail," you go directly to it with your left hand. Getting established to attempt the final throw is not easy (at least for me). Upon further reflection, I don't recall that the old timer described this as "Reverse Consideration," that was probably my (mis)interpretation, so I humbly withdraw my mild challenge to Chip Philips.

By Chip Phillips
2 days ago

pfwein - I deleted my previous post, since you've clarified yours.

You will know if you do Reverse Consideration. Switch the hands in the first beta photo above and you've got it. It's a completely ridiculous contortionist crossover that is really fun and made possible by perfectly placed feet. Match and throw to the lip. It's also got some cool history, being a Holloway problem.

True Consideration is thought to be the original way The Consideration was climbed ... without the small LH crimp to assist in attaining the lip.

Later.

By Chip Phillips
1 day ago

FWIW, the name of this problem is "The Consideration" ... NOT "Consideration."