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Doub-Griffith 

5.11c

   

FA: Ah, Teenage Doub and Griffith
Type: Trad
Consensus: 5.11c [details]
Length: 3 pitches
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Submitted By: Steve Levin on Nov 6, 2001


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Eric Doub, climber.


Description 

Picture two motivated and very talented young climbers scouring the walls of Redgarden in search of a first ascent...and then seeing this line. Just like kids in a candy store.

The D-G climbs a plumbline between Vertigo and Super Slab and offers a nice mix of climbing. The following description includes the variation called Dubious Graffiti, a direct middle pitch that adds a touch more 5.11 and is more in character with the original difficult pitches. The route is located right from the start of Vertigo, and can be approached non-technically from the Vertigo ledge. However, a much faster way to get there is to climb the Lower Ramp, and then go left below the base of Super Slab. This involves a very exposed move or two of low-end 5th-class climbing, so a rope is advised.

P1 (5.11a with 5.9s or 5.10s): Locate a steep, clean wall with a thin crack, and climb it. Strenuous. A TCU placement or two works here, although it is easy to fill the finger jams with gear. There often is a resident fixed nut at the crux that helps significantly. Harder for us fat-fingered types. Move up and right from the crack to the belay atop P1 of Super Slab. I find this pitch harder than the upper slab pitch, and most people would agree it is a harsh warm-up.

P2: (5.11a with 5.8s): Now climb up to the arete on the left and clip a bolt. Do a difficult move on the arete, then punch straight up past another bolt and some fixed pins all the way to the base of the Super Slab crux pitch and belay. This is an excellent pitch, and a nice middle pitch for Super Slab also. The original D-G climbed a good section of P2 Super Slab before moving left to gain the arete, but this seems very indirect.

P3 (5.11 b or c with 5.10a s): Move straight left from the belay, then up (runout) to clip the first of a line of widely-spaced bolts. The climbing is classic Eldo thin face, with good edges (stiff shoes help) and nice moves. The actual crux involves a strange stand-up from a good undercling that is easy in retrospect but difficult to initiate. The climbing eases after this move, with spectacular views left to Vertigo (it is right next to you), but is still steep and a bit runout--but positive. Towards the top move up and right, weaving your way through a bulging section. Good pitch, new bolts, beautiful stone.

Now either descend the raps to the west, or the Upper Ramp to the raps below the Naked Edge, or better, continue with Psycho Pigeon, a nice 5.11a route that compliments the D-G with similar climbing, but at a slightly easier standard (this combo is called the Psycho D-G).


Protection 

The typical Eldo stuff, including RPs and TCUs. The upper pitch is bolt protected, but the bolts are widely spaced.



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Nicola balestra leading the 3rd pitch on a sunny <br />day in November

Nicola balestra leading the 3rd pitch on a sunny
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After the crux. There's a hard move up the the fixed nut (the third piece of gear) and then another hard move up and right. It's not really a finger crack--it's closed off except for a few openings which we used as laybacks. The original route went right from where Verne is, around the corner to the Super Slab P1 belay. The 11a roof variation is up and left from Vern. The recommended route then angles right above the roof to the arete of Dubious Grafitti.

After the crux. There's a hard move up the the fix...

The third pitch from below the Super Slab belay. The route traverses straight left to near the arete. Then up the face and, in places, the arete, to the overhanging headwall. It then diagonals right on positive 5.9 or so climbing to meet up with Super Slab near the top.

The third pitch from below the Super Slab belay. T...

On the runout between bolts 1 and 2. There's a bit of a hard move just above the first bolt, then it's pretty easy until another pretty hard move (9 or so) to get to the second bolt.

On the runout between bolts 1 and 2. There's a bit...

At the 3rd bolt after the step up move. We moved straight left to the arete from here to a thin layback flake (that takes a green Alien) and then up the arete. These moves left were the crux of the route for me following. Very thin feet then layback with no feet. It looks like you could climb straight up from where Vern is.

At the 3rd bolt after the step up move. We moved s...

Looking across the headwall. I had always thought this was the P3 crux, but it turns out to be about 5.9. Steep, but big positive holds. From where Vern is the route goes up a little and then pretty much straight right to join Super Slab.

Looking across the headwall. I had always thought ...

Rob getting psych'ed up for the big runout...

Rob getting psych'ed up for the big runout...

Rob in the middle of the ~25ft runout to the next good gear....

Rob in the middle of the ~25ft runout to the next ...

Rob is at the final 5.10a crux. There is a so-so purple Alien placement at your waist.

Rob is at the final 5.10a crux. There is a so-so p...

Unknown climber following the last pitch. Photo taken from Psychosis.

Unknown climber following the last pitch. Photo ta...


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By Tom Fyffe
Nov 6, 2001

I think this is one of the best route I have done in the canyon. I like it almost as much as The Naked Edge. I don't think it gets done nearly as much. Although it has been nearly five years since I have done the route I don't remember the first pitch being quite as hard as 11c. Steve is right on with the gear though, a couple of TCUs will give you all the malcomb you need on the finger crack first pitch.The last pitch is completely spectacular.

By justin dubois
From: Estes Park
Jan 11, 2002

Not as long, but more consistently difficult than the Edge. Pound for pound, it is every bit as good. No crowds on this thing!!

By Anonymous Coward
Apr 29, 2002

I heard a rumor that if a climber fell in a particular spot on the 1st pitch that there was rope-cut potential over a sharp edge. Anyone care to confirm?

By msamet
Apr 29, 2002

I don't think there's anything for your rope to cut over. By the time you traverse right around the arete the hard stuff is over with, and the rope seemed to run ok.

To be concerned about, however: above the fixed stopper is a large shield/flake that must be treated with care. Don't put gear in it, pull down not out, etc. If you pulled this off it might cut your rope, which would really suck. The climbing is middling 5.10 thru here.

By Anonymous Coward
Apr 29, 2002

If you are doing the "Dubious Graffiti" middle pitch from top of pitch 1 Superslab, the bolt is clipped around the sharp arete on the left, and you climb on the right. If you fall the rope could get cut, but you'd have to be really unlucky.

By Jason Nelson
From: Ouray, CO
Jan 6, 2003

Instead of going right after the crux on Pitch 1, a nice alternative is to go slightly left, clip a bolt above the roof, pull the roof (maybe 11a) and belay on the small ledge just above. You also don't have to worry so much about the rope cutting over the arete on the next pitch if you go this way. It also makes for a more independant line.Great Route!

By Joe Collins
May 7, 2003

I agree with Jason: the left option through the roof after the 1st pitch crux is more in keeping with the character of the climb (i.e. avoiding the belay at the top of Super Slab pitch 1). Better yet, instead of setting a belay after pulling the roof, continue up past the bolt protecting the next 5.11 section on the arete. Once past this section conitnue up to a good belay ledge, which is actually the top of pitch 2 of Super Slab. There may be a bit of rope drag if you started the climb from the base of Super Slab... this can be remedied by moving the starting belay to the flat spot directly below the first pitch of D-G.

Incredible climb! Best to warm up by climbing Suparete to the top of the lower ramp.

By Ken Duncan
Sep 15, 2004
rating: 5.11c

The third pitch is my favorite Eldo pitch of all time.

By Ivan Rezucha
May 29, 2005
rating: 5.11b

There's a pretty good beta photo under Mickey Mouse Nailup that shows the upper 2 pitches Doub Griffith/Dubious Graffiti very clearly--it more or less falls the sun/shadow line on the right side of the photo.

By Vernon Stiefel
May 30, 2005

If, after the short first pitch, your intent is to climb Dubious Graffiti, it is best to forego the belay on the small ledge above the roof and continue to the good ledge system at the base of the final pitch. The extended pitch is about 150' of fabulous climbing with many 11 crux sections.

By Steve Annecone
Jul 1, 2005

IMHO, the best route in Eldo! Spectacular position and exposure, and plenty of variety make this one wild ride. Although there is plenty of spice throughout, the harder portions are all well protected and I think the "s" would pertain to only 5.9 or perhaps up to 10b sections. If you can climb 11b or c, I don't think the serious rating would be a problem. Also, unless you are way honed, a good solid warm up is highly recommended since the first pitch may present a flash pump challenge otherwise. Very nice route description and I strongly concur with the Psycho Pigeon continuation!

By Guy Humphrey
From: Fort Collins CO
Mar 6, 2006
rating: 5.11c R

At the 3rd bolt on the final pitch, you can follow a natural weakness about 3ft to the right of the bolt line. The smallest ball nuts and a green Alien will protect this section. You can then traverse back to the 4th bolt (which is at your feet) and continue with the regular line. It would difficult to clip the 4th bolt, so place gear instead.

By Bob Rotert
From: Broomfield, Co
May 24, 2006

I think this is definitely one of the best and one of my favorite routes in Eldo!! Classic!!! I have always called combining Super Arete and this route with Mellow Yellow and with the 12 finish on Mellow Yellow. The Astro Man of Eldorado... What a line and lots of great continuous climbing the whole way.

By Rob Kepley
From: Westminster,CO
Apr 1, 2007
rating: 5.11c

No question about it. This is one of the best climbs around. Spectacular from start to finish! The last pitch is truly amazing. Great movement and position with just enough spice to get your pulse racing. I could climb this route everyday for a month and never get bored. Awesome day Guy!

By Mike Morley
Administrator
From: Oakland, CA
Apr 1, 2007

For what it's worth, Eric Doub is still in the Boulder area. His north Boulder home is "net-zero" energy and rated the most energy efficient home in the state of Colorado.

By Rob Kepley
From: Westminster,CO
Apr 2, 2007
rating: 5.11c

As a matter of fact, we passed Eric on the way out yesterday after climbing DG. Cool

By Mike Munger
From: Boulder, Colorado
May 18, 2007

Just FYI; There is a 5.10'ish rising traverse that starts from the first bolt on the third pitch and joins Super Slab as it turns the roof.

By John Langston
Feb 3, 2008

The dubious flake above the crux of P1 is completely loose. I should have pulled it off, it would have taken just a little tug. It's about 3 feet tall and quite capable of killing you. Judging by the chalk on it, it has been more secure in the past. As it sits now, it will hold no weight, out or down. Be careful.

By wcurudy
Apr 30, 2008

Does anybody know if this loose flake was involved in the recent accident? I believe it was this route...

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/16047413/detail.html
http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=18>>>>>

By Shumin Wu
May 16, 2008

wcurudy - it most definitely is.
Really unfortunate, as it is a cool route.