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The Unsaid 

5.9

   

FA: George Meyers, Roger Grette, 1970
Type: Trad
Consensus: 5.9 [details]
Length: 1 pitch, 100 feet
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Submitted By: Andrew Wellman on Jan 1, 2001


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Description 

This one pitch climb is about 50 feet below the Long John Wall route. It follows a thin crack in a dihedral past two small roofs and out onto a face. Rossiter describes it as classic, but that depends on your definition. As opposed to most Eldo routes, which tend to be sustained, this pitch is a one move wonder as far as difficulty is concerned. Still, if you are in the area it is well worth doing and is quite fun.


Protection 

Standard trad rack. Pretty thin, no need for any pieces above 1.5 inches. You only really need a set of nuts and about 4 cams from .5 to 2.


Warning 

Eds. The anchor may be a rope stretcher to rappel with a short downclimb with a 50m rope to the ledge 30 ft up. Consider 2 ropes or a 60m rope. Also, if you belay from the ground, do not lower with a single rope!



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The Unsaid viewed from the start of the route.

BETA PHOTO: The Unsaid viewed from the start of the route.

Eds.  Note, this rappel may be a rope stretcher with a short downclimb with a 50m rope.  Consider 2 ropes or a 60m rope.

BETA PHOTO: Eds. Note, this rappel may be a rope stretcher wi...

Fran contemplates moving out onto the face.

Fran contemplates moving out onto the face.

Christa Cline at the layback near the top of the pitch.

Christa Cline at the layback near the top of the p...

Jason stands before the crux move.

Jason stands before the crux move.

Setting up for the reach back into the crack.  Photo by Steve Bond

Setting up for the reach back into the crack. Pho...

The reach back into the crack.  Photo by Steve Bond

The reach back into the crack. Photo by Steve Bon...

Jason negotiates the crux.  Photo taken from Washington Irving

Jason negotiates the crux. Photo taken from Washi...

Jason moves back over to the crack.  Photo taken from Washington Irving.

Jason moves back over to the crack. Photo taken f...

Montida smokes through each crux section.  Photo by Jason Shatek.

Montida smokes through each crux section. Photo b...

Photo by Jason Shatek.

Photo by Jason Shatek.


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By Brice Williams
Jul 31, 2001

This is a fun route, but I agree about it being a one or two move wonder. It doesn't feel like a 5.9 if you are tall, either (I'm 6'4"). On the thin crack before traversing out on the face, I was only able to get in some quite small nuts, #3s and #4s BD.

By Aaron Shupp
Apr 8, 2002

This route is certainly not very difficult for the grade; however, the gear is fairly thin in places. The whole pitch really only needs about 3 or 4 nuts or tiny cams. Also, most of the climb really depends on the face-holds to the right of the crack. Go up a few moves, then step left.

By Charles Vernon
From: El Paso, TX
Apr 21, 2002

Well, I think this is a 3-move wonder, that I did for the third time today. Pulling out of the corner, making a neat move up the face, and then pulling back into the crack above the roof all feel equally difficult and thought-provoking. Of course, you could also just go straight up the corner without using the face, which is strenuous but quite doable.

A 60 meter rope is perfect for the rappel to the tree directly below the route, with a 50 you'll probably have to downclimb a bit.

By rob.calm
From: Loveland, Colorado
May 22, 2002

I found the crux piece of protection to be a .75 Camalot placed low in the roof while leaning to the right off the huecos on the left wall. This protects moving up on the wall and re-entering the crack. How hard is the route if one stays in the crack all the way and avoids the left wall?

By Andy Moore
May 22, 2002

Going straight up the dihedral, instead of moving left, is mid-5.10 or so. There are a couple of delicate stem moves, with not much for your feet, until you can reach up to where the crack opens up enough to admit fingers again. From there, you can reach up to the roof. The move over the roof from this position is fun.

By Ron Olsen
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From: Boulder, CO
Aug 9, 2002

This is one of my favorite climbs on the West Ridge. A better finish continues straight up a right-facing corner at the top instead of heading left to the two-bolt toprope anchor. Fun thin face and stemming moves take you to the rotten ledge. You can belay from the top using a small tree as an anchor. After you bring your second up, traverse left to the big tree and rappel down Washington Irving. 60m rope recommended for the rappel.

By Ernie Port
From: Boulder, Colorado
Sep 1, 2002

I led it today and thought it was way cool. [Balancy]move up on the top of the face using left hand fingertip undercling was unique. Protecting that move is not too bad for taller climbers (6' range) but my shorter partner (5'6") can't reach the corner of the roof to place the cam. I'd agree its a classic a say its a three move wonder.

By Shane Zentner
From: Colorado
Jan 22, 2003

A three and a half move wonder for my wiry self. A bit balancy when you're on the face, other than that pretty straight forward. Stoppers and a few small cams protects The Unsaid.

By shad O'Neel
Jun 20, 2003

Some of these big holds are just out of reach for shorter folks like me. I found it to be reachy and three or so hard moves. Brilliant climbing reminicient of Castle Hill in New Zealand. 5.9 felt right on to me.

By Brian Weinstein
Sep 29, 2003

A quality pitch of thought-provoking little moves. From mantling on the face to little fingers...a very enjoyable lead and agreed with the rating of 5.9. Have fun!

By Holly Barnard
Jul 25, 2004
rating: 5.9-

This was my first Eldo 5.9 lead and I didn't think it was as hard as others I have followed or lead since then in the canyon. I'm 5'6" and this climb was definitely more than a one move wonder. I'd agree with 3 or 4 moves that by the end of them you could be looking at an unpleasant ride if you fell before getting back into the crack. In hindsight, I'd advise folks to be pretty comfortable at 8+ before leading this. Falling from the face mid-crux would not be good. Place gear as high as you can in the dihedral before moving out onto the face.

By Matt Chan
Aug 23, 2004
rating: 5.9-

I second what Holly mentioned about fall potential on some thin wires prior to placing your .75 cam in the roof - could be painful. I preclipped my cam and fired it in ASAP from the potholes. Also, threading the hole at the bottom of the RF corner with a sling eliminates the possibility of zippering your stoppers in the case of a fall prior to getting the cam in the roof. Two stars and a good lead for breaking into 9's.

By Jeremy
From: Boulder, CO
Aug 30, 2004
rating: 5.9

This was a great route! I led it pulling out on the face and it seemed that the holds pulling the roof would be better if you stay in the crack. I tr'ed it and that was definitely the case. Staying in the crack and using the huecos for hands and a left foot was fun and maybe 10a.

By Jason Shatek
Dec 20, 2004

This is a good all around route. For the crux, I first put in a orange RP (last piece before the roof). Then I was able to step high and side pull the hueco and then put a orange Alien into the roof. I then swung out onto the face and did the mantle move to the 5.9 part of the crux. I then placed a blue alien in the dihedral a couple of feet above the orange Alien. The next 9 move wasn't too bad, I just steped up and side pulled a flake and that was high enough to grab a bomber corner handhold. FYI.... Someone mentions above that you can sling a corner before the crux to keep you from zippering should you fall. I looked for a spot to sling and couldn't find anything.

By George Bell
From: Boulder, CO
Jun 6, 2005

This is a fun pitch, although short. It took me some time to figure out the crux moves, even though I'm sure I've done it before.

I puzzled over the "Ron Olsen Variation" at the top, a standard Eldo corner with no significant handholds. This dihedral can be made easy by stepping left and then back right into it!

By Dave Holliday
From: Louisville, CO
Feb 26, 2006

I did the variation staying in the lower dihedral below the roof on top-rope. There are a couple of pretty thin moves before getting a really good fingerlock. Although you'd be moving above thin gear leading this variation, I suspect a fall would be safer than on the standard route because there wouldn't be a big swing back into the dihedral. Once you get the fingerlock it's easy to get established below the roof and get in the bomber gear at the lip of the roof.

By jay baichi
Jul 5, 2007
rating: 5.9

Loads of fun! Sucked up the small Aliens!

By D. Shaw
Aug 7, 2007
rating: 5.9 PG13

Tricky, and I agree with Rossiter, classic "Eldo" climbing. There is more than one fun move, so certainly don't skip this pitch. Gear in thin seam is small, before stepping left into pockets. Then stand up in pockets, if you are tall reach right and you can get an excellent nut at bottom of the crack. If you can't reach back to the bottom of the crack to place the gear it is actually going to be a fairly run-out move.

By banketh
From: Denver CO
Mar 9, 2008
rating: 5.9

Fun route. Staying right in the dihedral and not moving left to the jugs on the face makes it an interesting challenge, solid .10 I would say. Pulling the roof from this position is fun