By Ball
From Oakridge, OR
Feb 28, 2012
| Fred AmRhein wrote: Since the discussion seems to center about the relatively dry forests of the Southwestern region here where seasonal closures due to dry conditions are common, it might not be a good idea to burn one's TP at most SW US places?
OK, let me clarify for those of us with less common sense.
Burn it without causing a forest fire. Don't leave smoking/smoldering pile of TP behind.
I sometimes burn it and push it back in my poo with a stick. Have a problem with that? Maybe someone's dog will cough it up later. | 
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By Tim McCabe
Feb 28, 2012
| Ball wrote: How has climbing progressed since the 70s?
Well for one thing those don't look like pitons on the rack in your profile pic.
David Sahalie wrote: fair point, but if one can't manage burning their poo paper on a large rock without lighting grass on fire, you deserve whatever fate awaits you.
So no one should ever have to risk anything on lead but if they burn themselves up that's their own fault.
Ball not really sure what your point was.
David obviously you and I could go round and round. You seem to be in favor of making things safe for the masses but then you'll just let them burn for one little mistake. |
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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Feb 28, 2012
| Colin Cox wrote: Maybe so, because I can't perceive any point to this thread except to make fun of it. No offense Tony, and none taken.
Cool. I guess I didn't get the joke, but I get it now. I was semi-seriously trying to point out that there are 2 perps to think about when a dog is eating poo... the owner of the poo and the owner of the dog. So I wasn't looking for the humor in the comment and missed it. Cheers. |
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By Fred AmRhein
Feb 28, 2012
| David Sahalie wrote: if one can't manage burning their poo paper on a large rock without lighting grass on fire, you deserve whatever fate awaits you.
Unfortunately, sometimes it's not just the individual that is affected. Just a recent example related to burning TP, whatever a "roll" specifically means is not clear.
www.thejc.com/news/israel-news/63444/israeli-backpacker-esca>>>
More specifically from a year or so ago:
hauntingthelibrary.wordpress.com/2011/01/13/environmentalist>>>
As excerpted:
The cause of this particular fire was, sadly enough, the good intentions of a participant in the Rainbow Festival that was being held at the site. For ecological reasons, she burned toilet paper she had used so as not to leave it in nature, and in normal circumstances, that would have been the thing to do. However, due to the strong winds and the unseasonable hot air, the dry grasses caught on fire immediately, and the fire spread in four different directions simultaneously.
Source: Jerusalem Post.
I'm not telling you what to do or not to do here but this topic has come up before with respect to the SW forests and their typical dry condition and behavior related to how to dispose of TP. It's pretty clear that regardless of one's intentions or expertise things can go awry and then everybody suffers.
The simple solution to me regardless of weather conditions in this area is to stuff it in a pocket and blame the odor on the nearest dog, child in diapers, dirt-bag partner, etc., or just own up to what is part of the human condition and feel secure that I'm not possibly causing others harm.
Just my view here.
Fred |
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By MegaGaper2000
From Indianola, Wa
Feb 28, 2012
| Ball wrote: Burn that shit, fools.
True to gaper form, I have personally nearly started a brush fire burning poo. Once it starts to burn, the paper falls apart. One gust of wind, and poof, smouldering embers go everywhere.
The ironic part is that, unless you have the world's driest poop, burning tp doesn't actually work that well.
The clean paper burns. The poo-wet patches just get warm. |
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By Dow Williams
From Saint George, UT
Feb 28, 2012
| Am I the only one who caught the irony here? Please pick up your poo in the wilderness so my domestic pet does not eat it...prob unleashed hunting for it I presume....maybe it is potty trained. |
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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Feb 28, 2012
| Tony B wrote: People who poo where ever and whenever are more or less the same as people who let their dogs run where ever doing whatever. Both of them are making shit happen that shouldn't be happening.
Dow Williams wrote: Am I the only one who caught the irony here? Please pick up your poo in the wilderness so my domestic pet does not eat it...prob unleashed hunting for it I presume....maybe it is potty trained.
No, you are not the only one. But sadly the answers posted do not indicate many, many more. |
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By Ball
From Oakridge, OR
Feb 28, 2012
| Tim McCabe wrote: Well for one thing those don't look like pitons on the rack in your profile pic.
You're 10-20 years off, plus I know a guy who used to free climb with pitons. That was in the 60s, not the 70s.
Since then we've added the bosch, the gym, and grade inflation. |
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By Ike Rushmoore
Feb 28, 2012
| Ball wrote: How has climbing progressed since the 70s? Well, other than poop treads on the interwebs.
Regardless of climbing evolution, we've always pooped.
I for one leave my poop out in the open so I can help feed hungry off leashed dogs. They have needs too (and potential Access fund sponsorships).
It's just the tragedy of the commons. More people = more climbers = more poop = more regulation. |
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By Tim McCabe
Feb 28, 2012
| Ball wrote: You're 10-20 years off, plus I know a guy who used to free climb with pitons. That was in the 60s, not the 70s. Since then we've added the bosch, the gym, and grade inflation.
I was driving iron on the Magic Mushroom in 90 for the most part that route goes clean now and has even been freed.
But I am totally with you on grade inflation.
David Sahalie wrote: people also train now and get strong, instead of twiddling with gear and calling it climbing.
And hang their way up climbs, with bolts closer together then most bolt ladders, and bag on aid climbers.
Dow Williams wrote: Am I the only one who caught the irony here? Please pick up your poo in the wilderness so my domestic pet does not eat it...prob unleashed hunting for it I presume....maybe it is potty trained.
You let your dog run loose it's going to eat anything and everything it comes across including poo even if it's buried. |
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By Dow Williams
From Saint George, UT
Feb 28, 2012
| Tony B wrote: No, you are not the only one. But sadly the answers posted do not indicate many, many more.
I think you are right mate...one respondent just missed it entirely....guess rocket scientist are not into climbing in AZ.. |
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By Ball
From Oakridge, OR
Feb 28, 2012
| David Sahalie wrote: people didn't hang in the 80s because 5.10 was the limit
Say what?
Somebody tell Greg Lowe those routes he put up in the mid-60s are 10s.
/usually don't like how threads degrade, but this time I'm loving it |
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By Ball
From Oakridge, OR
Feb 28, 2012
| Tim McCabe wrote: You let your dog run loose it's going to eat anything and everything it comes across including poo even if it's buried.
+1
If your dog's kisses smell like Stagg, you can thank me (by buying me more Stagg) |
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By Glenn Schuler
From Monument, Co.
Feb 28, 2012
| David Sahalie wrote: people didn't hang in the 80s because 5.10 was the limit.
Huh? You know routes like The Grand Illusion were done well before then right?
edit - Ball beat me to it. This thread just proves that no matter the original topic (poop in this case), if it goes past a couple pages there is a high probability of it turning onto a sport vs. trad vs. aid bitchfest. |
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By Johny Q
Feb 28, 2012
| And this is why I can't stand people bitching about dogs. Most humans are not worth the debt they have incurred. Dogs are the only animals that clean up after us at the crag and they do deserve an access fund sponsorship.
Oh, I am sorry, you left your sandwich out and it got eaten? Than fucking realize that you shouldn't leave your sandwich out. What the hell do you think the wildlife would do with that sandwich if there was any wildlife left?
Dogs should be hugged and kissed for their service(not on the lips)and not chastised. Would you want their jobs? When your dog rolls up at the crag with no leash I go on a mission to feed that poor beast because I love him.
I realize I am full of shit, and that's why I provide such a service. |
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By emmet
Feb 28, 2012
| sorry dudes, not up up on all my trad lore. so 5.11 was the limit... or 5.12, still warm-ups for many by today's standards.
Warm up on Grand Illusion?
Are you drunk again? |
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By K-Tanz
Feb 29, 2012
| +1 for not using TP. Rocks and sticks are lovely. I prefer a one inch diameter stick with some amount of bark still attached. The grain has wonderful turd grabbing capabilities. A twisting motion (I am a clockwise man myself) while pulling backwards is just wonderful. Small stray crag dogs such as dachshunds work exceptionally well and pack themselves out so you don't have to. |
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By Ball
From Oakridge, OR
Feb 29, 2012
| Johny Q wrote: And this is why I can't stand people bitching about dogs.
I don't see any of that in this thread. I do see some dog owners bitching about poo. Come to think of it, the real poo-bandits are the dogs, stealing the poo. The dogs are also the only ones profiting from this transaction.
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