By Stymingersfink Feb 18, 2008
| jfox wrote: But, maybe the washer was meant to go underneath. what did the destructions indicate? |  |
By Avery Nelson From Boulder, CO Feb 18, 2008
| Per my note to BD:
Avery Nelson wrote: - The instructions do not illustrate or indicate where the washer should be installed (inside versus outside).
At least, not that I could find. I meddled around with it when first getting the leash, and while the washer seems to fit nicely in the attachment, I don't think it was intended to go underneath. The inset screw mount actually raises above the surface of the shaft. Thus, the attachment do-hickey does not sit flush.
Now, the replacements I received from BD didn't even have a washer included. |  |
By Avery Nelson From Boulder, CO Feb 27, 2008
| Yesterday, I received a call from Chris at BD. Basically, BD arrived at the same conclusion that I suggested earlier in this thread. The metal tab was flipping up, causing the nylon to abrade. BD is reviewing some potential design enhancements. The reason that they do not use a direct attachment system as Stymingersfink suggested is because it does not allow for enough degrees of freedom to maintain maximum strength.
BD is sending me a couple prototypes to test out, as I'm headed up to Alberta in a week to fool around. Kudos to BD for the prompt action -- this is an example of what makes them a great climbing gear company.
So, I guess the moral of this story is: if you are climbing with the 2007 Cobra/Viper Android leash attachment on your tool, but going leashless -- keep a close eye on the leash for wear.
Cheers, Avery |  |
By Kevin Craig Feb 28, 2008
| Hey Avery! Just got back from Alberta myself. Ran my Cobras leashless pretty much all the time I was following and also noted the beginings of the problem that you have encountered. Thanks for posting as I probably wouldn't have noticed it as early otherwise. Hopefully BD will come up with a fix as I really like leading with leashes and following without.
If you want some route recommendations or other info, drop me an e-mail (Mark has my e-mail address) or a PM.
Have fun! |  |
By Doug Shepherd From Fort Collins, CO Feb 28, 2008
| I taped the whole shaft on my Cobras, including going over the top of the leash attachment on the shaft. I used my Cobras heavily the last two weeks both leashed and leashless and found that the tape was worn exactly where Avery's webbing is worn, but I have no damage to the webbing like Avery's pictures.
Perhaps a temporary fix is to tape around the stud attachment and area of webbing that is affected by this problem? Not a permanent solution for sure, but one that'll keep your expensive leashes from getting trashed! |  |
By Avery Nelson From Boulder, CO Mar 18, 2008
| The prototypes that BD sent me look pretty similar to the originals, but are made of stiffer webbing and sewn slightly differently. They seem to have done well for 5 days of climbing leashless, without any visible wear to the webbing. |  |
By Jon U Mar 28, 2008
| I just received my leashes - from BD. They were on backorder for some time, which I suspect was due to the issues listed above. The new leashes have much thicker webbing on the "tool-attachment". The webbing is also stitched like a mini dogbone making it very ridged so there should be no way it can flap up during non leashed swings. This sounds a lot like the prototypes given to Avery to test. I believe this is the case and BD has resolved the leash issues. For those with the old leashes, a rubber band (zip tie or sting too) might work as a quick fix to stop the flapping. |  |
|