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Jul 4, 2012
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david goldstein wrote:
Just by raising the issue you may point out to the otherwise oblivious that their actions affect other people, possibly causing them to modify their behavior. .

It seems to me that you are oblivious that your actions of trying to modify the behavior of others while they are outside and "free" is affecting their good time, so perhaps you should modify your behavior.
Darren in Vegas
From Las Vegas, NV
Joined Feb 13, 2006
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Jul 4, 2012
me
the regulars at s.t. use and like chalk Kenny Thompson
From Cottage grove oregon
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605 points
Jul 4, 2012
Coffee after freezing our asses off near James Pea...
Aeryn wrote:
6. Keep quiet unless circumstances indicate otherwise. Lots of us like to get lost in the solitude of the rock


So would this exchange overheard at Jurassic Park be OK?

Boston Mike: "So are you in with your daisy chain?"

Young Guy: "Yeah, I'm not completely retarded, Mike."
Stich
From Colorado Springs, Colorado
Joined Jan 1, 2001
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Jul 4, 2012
Darren in Vegas wrote:
It seems to me that you are oblivious that your actions of trying to modify the behavior of others while they are outside and "free" is affecting their good time, so perhaps you should modify your behavior.


I'll bite and pose a hypothetical. Say you had kids, took them to a ballgame and happened to be seated next to a party whose idea of a good time at a sporting event was screaming obscenities towards the field. Would you view asking them to tone it down as "affecting their good time" or would think that their behavior was out of line, not your (presumed) negative reaction to it?

Basically you are saying that people are entitled to act like uncivilized shitheads and it is up to everyone else to deal with it. I know it used to be the other way around, but maybe not anymore.
david goldstein
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Jul 4, 2012
Skiing around.
david goldstein wrote:
I'll bite and pose a hypothetical. Say you had kids, took them to a ballgame and happened to be seated next to a party whose idea of a good time at a sporting event was screaming obscenities towards the field. Would you view asking them to tone it down as "affecting their good time" or would think that their behavior was out of line, not your (presumed) negative reaction to it? Basically you are saying that people are entitled to act like uncivilized shitheads and it is up to everyone else to deal with it. I know it used to be the other way around, but maybe not anymore.

Your point is valid, but using chalk and some of these other things you guys are talking about is more like the person sitting next to you at this hypothetical ball game is eating a hot dog and you are a vegetarian, and you ask them to stop eating it.

Darren in Vegas
From Las Vegas, NV
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Jul 4, 2012
Nick Stayner near the crux. Ryan Minton photo.
BurtMachlan wrote:
Its not like you contribute anything here, go to supertopo pleaase.

Killis makes entertaining and often insightful contributions and I usually enjoy reading his posts, even if I don't agree with his point... I hope he doesn't leave us for ST.

That's in stark contrast to you, Burt! Maybe you could start posting some actual content on here from time to time?
Nick Stayner
From Billings, MT
Joined Mar 6, 2006
2,606 points
Jul 4, 2012
Colonel Mustard
Ed Rhine wrote:
HAHAHAHHAHAH... Etiquette is important but some of this is ridiculous.


+1.

These threads all sound like reasons to get in a snit when people tromp all over these fairly arbitrary rules (as if the internet needed more self-empowered Napoleons in the passive aggresive bent). One thing is fairly universal: don't be an a-hole to others out there, and, failing that, leave the a holes to their a hole ways. Beyond that, who cares? Even some of the major gaffs on the list would represent a very minor inconvenience at best. Much of climbing culture has been a reaction against codified rules, so best of luck to the internet administrators.
Colonel Mustard
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Jul 4, 2012
david goldstein wrote:
Basically you are saying that people are entitled to act like uncivilized shitheads and it is up to everyone else to deal with it. I know it used to be the other way around, but maybe not anymore.


That's todays world, be a shithead, get pissed when people expect a little common decency. "How dare you expect me to behave, you're trampling my rights to trample yours?"

Simple solution, move to the middle of nowhere and hope people don't follow.
Merlin
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Jul 4, 2012
Once we landed we headed to Font to find a place t...
david goldstein wrote:
I'll bite and pose a hypothetical. Say you had kids, took them to a ballgame and happened to be seated next to a party whose idea of a good time at a sporting event was screaming obscenities towards the field. Would you view asking them to tone it down as "affecting their good time" or would think that their behavior was out of line, not your (presumed) negative reaction to it? Basically you are saying that people are entitled to act like uncivilized shitheads and it is up to everyone else to deal with it. I know it used to be the other way around, but maybe not anymore.


Except that at a baseball game you are on private property and there are actual police that will ask you to leave. Where as when climbing you might be on public land, BLM, FS where there is little or no control, of course if you are in a NP or something, fell free to complain to the rangers packing heat.
LeeAB
From ABQ, NM
Joined Aug 3, 2008
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Jul 5, 2012
I am utterly astonished at a majority of the posts on this thread. Much of what the original poster stated is just about standard in the Australian climbing community.

To people outside of the USA, this forum paints a very very bad picture of the attitude and morals of the USA climbing community.
jasoncm
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Jul 5, 2012
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jasoncm wrote:
I am utterly astonished at a majority of the posts on this thread. Much of what the original poster stated is just about standard in the Australian climbing community. To people outside of the USA, this forum paints a very very bad picture of the attitude and morals of the USA climbing community.

Welcome to the internet. If you want to actually pass judgement on the American climbing scene, come on over.
Eamon Doyle
From Sierra Madre, CA
Joined Nov 3, 2011
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Jul 5, 2012
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Oh, also, I forgot. Lol at this thread. Eamon Doyle
From Sierra Madre, CA
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Jul 5, 2012
smoke break, pitch 5 or 6 (or 7??) of Dark Shadows
jasoncm wrote:
I am utterly astonished at a majority of the posts on this thread. Much of what the original poster stated is just about standard in the Australian climbing community. To people outside of the USA, this forum paints a very very bad picture of the attitude and morals of the USA climbing community.


Watch out, you're in the land of Puritan Descendants. We burn witches here buddy, burn 'em alive. Speak common sense and you'll be toasty too.
Eric Krantz
From Black Hills
Joined Feb 21, 2004
469 points
Jul 5, 2012
Skull cave, Rifle, CO  awesome shot nate!
Climbing Etiquette: Try not to be a dick ptrgeorge
From Houston, TX
Joined Sep 18, 2011
746 points
Jul 5, 2012
Stabby
Aeryn:
Can I tell you what I hate?
Sharks.
Sharks can tare families apart.
But they're also so majestic.
They are beautiful creatures.
But they're also so ferocious!
So ferocious! One of natures cruel jokes, I guess.
Mike Lane
From Centennial, CO
Joined Jan 21, 2006
839 points
Jul 5, 2012
dude, that was a haiku... mitchy
From nunya gotdamn business.
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Jul 5, 2012
Nick Stayner near the crux. Ryan Minton photo.
jasoncm wrote:
I am utterly astonished at a majority of the posts on this thread.

Wow- I would seriously advise you to stay away from Supertopo then! If you think this forum paints a bad picture of American climbers....
Nick Stayner
From Billings, MT
Joined Mar 6, 2006
2,606 points
Jul 5, 2012
Colonel Mustard
jasoncm wrote:
I am utterly astonished at a majority of the posts on this thread. Much of what the original poster stated is just about standard in the Australian climbing community. To people outside of the USA, this forum paints a very very bad picture of the attitude and morals of the USA climbing community.


You would be foolish to take one internet thread as a representation of an entire country. Almost as foolish as attempting to dictate the etiquette for all regions and styles of climbing in an entire country.

Nick Stayner wrote:
Wow- I would seriously advise you to stay away from Supertopo then! If you think this forum paints a bad picture of American climbers....


Yeah, this stuff is so laughable, it would be tolerated for about .5 seconds there. I'm not sure if it would be lampooned or completely ignored though.
Colonel Mustard
Joined Sep 13, 2005
1,382 points
Jul 5, 2012
slopey
Don't leave hand prints? I'm not going to only chalk my fingers while climbing... I try to use less on a jugfest but on all other climbs I'm dunking my hands into my chalk.

If you want seclusion just hike further into the wilderness. Don't expect everyone to bypass a perfectly good site, which happens to be beside yours, if they want to camp there.

I don't understand how not being quiet = being a shithead. I boulder quite a bit and one of my favorite aspects of the sport is cheering on fellow climbers and have never been agitated from another crowd trying to get someone psyched while they're climbing. I also do this when I'm roped up.

So if I'm a shithead for trying to get a buddy motivated to crush his project or pushing through a crux so be it.
Jeremy Hand
Joined Feb 24, 2012
109 points
Jul 5, 2012
As of yesterday we've adopted a new strategy for ENCOURAGING our fellow climbers past the crux section of a climb. Today, we are bringing low power BB guns to the crag. That's right, something along the lines of a Red Ryder, not powerful enough to break the skin, but powerful enough to get your attention not to fall. mitchy
From nunya gotdamn business.
Joined Aug 29, 2009
16 points
Jul 5, 2012
Summit of Rainier.
Is it a dick move for one person to lead a sport route, rap down and clean it. Then let the second lead it-maybe not get the route the first try and take a while to finish the route--while people a waiting on the route? Mike Belu
From Indianapolis, IN
Joined Jun 3, 2012
136 points
Jul 5, 2012
Mike Belu wrote:
Is it a dick move for one person to lead a sport route, rap down and clean it. Then let the second lead it-maybe not get the route the first try and take a while to finish the route--while people a waiting on the route?


Why would you clean it if the second climber is going to lead it too? Doesnt sound like a dick move just a retarded move.
BurtMachlan
Joined May 21, 2012
6 points
Jul 5, 2012
Summit of Rainier.
The question is more geared to making the people wait for the second person to lead, which might take a while. It would b faster for the second person to climb without leading. Mike Belu
From Indianapolis, IN
Joined Jun 3, 2012
136 points
Jul 5, 2012
Rrrrr
If people are climbing too slow on your route, just take a 5-wood and whack one right into them. Buff Johnson
Joined Dec 19, 2005
1,499 points
Jul 5, 2012
Mike Belu wrote:
The question is more geared to making the people wait for the second person to lead, which might take a while. It would b faster for the second person to climb without leading.


Then no its not rude at all. You were there first and you can climb the route however you want lead, tr, etc.... Although like you said if you are going to be hang dogging all day on the thing it might be courteous to TR if its above your ability to lead it and get off faster or let the other party play through.
BurtMachlan
Joined May 21, 2012
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