Climbing Car Suggestions
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I currently drive a Toyota Prius which I am very happy with, but my wife and I need to buy a "new" (used) car so both of us can commute to work next year, and so she's going to use the Prius and I'm going to get the new purchase. I'm looking for suggestions for a good car for climbing-related trips. The Prius of course is great for gas mileage but it's a bit small to sleep in/dirtbag out of, and not always the best choice in winter conditions or for less well-developed roads (ex. getting into the PMRP at the Red). I'm thinking about an SUV of some sort (like maybe a Toyota 4Runner or Jeep Cherokee) or perhaps a hatchback that's larger than the Prius, or something like a crossover. My current commute to work isn't that bad so the reduced gas mileage isn't as huge a deal as it was when I was commuting 90 miles each way. I'm looking to spend in the 4-6k range (so obviously will probably end up with something that has high mileage). The less I spend on the car the more I can spend on a road bike :). Any suggestions/recommendations/avoids? Thanks! |
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Well trucks with canopy on the back and rigged to sleep in are always popular, as well as eurovans or just mini van conversions. But since your going to be commuting and looking for something that can do it all,I recommend a Subaru outback or legacy. Get the 4cyl it has plenty of power. they get around 30mpg and have good clearance and plenty of room. Suv are gas hogs and aren't really that functional, and for gas Mileage you could be driving a truck. but it all depends on your needs. |
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Sorry to go against you Topher but I hated my subaru legacy outback. I couldnt get rid of it fast enough. it didnt have the room I wanted and those cars are a pain to fix and you always need to, especially if you are getting an older used one. I would go with a suv crossover or a small truck with a cab to stash your gear and sleep. |
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Subaru is a great choice for daily driver that is road-trippable. My 95 Outback Impreza that I picked up for $3k averaged 25mpg on just about every tank I ever put in it. 30mpg is a VERY generous offer on an older Subaru, but going across Nebraska at 70mph with a tail wind I once got 36mpg. |
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Gas prices are only going to go up. |
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First of all, for god's sake check out the giant thread already in existence on this. |
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A uzuki Samurai is another good but quirky and hard-to-find option. They are the best of both worlds, with high clearnace and a 1.3L engine the gets 27mpg highway. But they are rare, and beloved by fetishists. Mostly you can only find these days either A) beaters or b)tricked out ones with swampers, air lockers, winches, kustom brush guards, etc. The former sucks, obviously, and is usually spraypaitned camo (woooooo brah!). The latter runs $4-5000. |
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There are larger, more informative forums (with pics) about this elsewhere on MP, but one thing worth noting here- if you're thinking of an SUV but concerned with fuel mileage a minivan usually gets better mileage, sometimes pretty close to a Subaru. My Grand Caravan gets 24mpg on the highway at 70mph. The ground clearance is as good as an Outback, and it carries a whole lot more. Unlike a full size van, though, it's easier to deal with in tight urban areas. The front wheel drive actually works OK in snow, since the thing weighs a decent amount. For a Subaru to carry anything like what a minivan can you have to use roof boxes or racks, which significantly cuts the mileage. |
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lots of good options here. and regarding Subaru gas mileage, I consistently get 30mpg on trips and around 26mpg. But I have the 2.2 l engine and 5sp. if you have a v6 and automatic it will be worse. Also my suby is the brighton not the outback which has bigger tires as well. if want more clearance you can lift it via king spring for about 800. I am 5 foot 10 and have no problem sleeping in the back of mine. the new ones have even more room. I have a 1998. remember the back seat folds flat. I am also no mechanical genius but my model is easy as hell to work on. Nd lots of used parts at junk yard. |
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I had a 2005 outback turbo. Turbo went after 55k. Hated it. Had 1999 forester loved it for climbing trips up to NH winter & summer (grew up in NYC) Good think you live in SC I just watched someone in a prius just about slide off the ravine coming down our huge hill in the snow the other day! Good luck. SO many choices! |
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MegaGaper2000 wrote:A uzuki Samurai is another good but quirky and hard-to-find option. They are the best of both worlds, with high clearnace and a 1.3L engine the gets 27mpg highway. But they are rare, and beloved by fetishists. Mostly you can only find these days either A) beaters or b)tricked out ones with swampers, air lockers, winches, kustom brush guards, etc. The former sucks, obviously, and is usually spraypaitned camo (woooooo brah!). The latter runs $4-5000.Uhh, the OP was looking for something to sleep in. Unless he's a midget, a Samurai would be terrible. Oh, and since nobody's mentioned it, Honda Elements (which they just discontinued, I believe) are a great roadtrippable/decent gas mileage/SUV combination. |
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camhead wrote:Oh, and since nobody's mentioned it, Honda Elements (which they just discontinued, I believe) are a great roadtrippable/decent gas mileage/SUV combination.Yes. The gas mileage is not awesome (24 mpg hwy), but it is not far behind the Subaru Outback (27 mpg hwy). Camping in it is so nice. We have a roof-top carrier, which makes things a little easier, but we have also camped in it without. If you are short like me (5'8"), then converting the back to a bed is as simple as putting some padding down. If you are taller than that, you will need to put in a "loft." There are instructions on YouTube. Some caveats: the Honda AWD train is inferior to the Subaru AWD train. The anti-lock brakes on the Element suck (the brakes are fine, but the ABS is not very responsive). The front windshield is prone to rock chips. Other than that, I love the Element. |
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Subaru. I speak as a Southeastern, SC climber. The most intense climbing road that I've been on in the SE is nothing like what the above posters have been describing. I'd opt for a 2003 forester though. Good size/mileage ratio. |
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Get an old Toyota 4WD van (or a Previa AWD). I guess Mazda makes the MPV AWD van, and Chevy has the Astro AWD. |
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HONDA ELEMENT!!!! |
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i'm with the honda element. while you still can. |
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Too bad they stopped making the Elements- with the exception of the not so great ground clearance, it would be my vehicle of choice if I was ready to purchase. I'm hoping to find a used one at the end of this year, but they'll probably become harder to find unless you pay over market value for it. They seem to be pretty popular with the outdoorsy crowd, but a lot of other folks (especially those who didn't plan to sleep in the Element, or utilize the space in the car) think they're just too damn butt ugly to drive. I guess Honda discontinued the Elements because they haven't sold enough of them these past couple of years. |
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For a long time I had a '99 Toyota tacoma extended cab with a topper, put 230,000 on it an sold for a little over $5,000 with a topper. (V6, manual, 4x4) Got 20mpg for the most part and there was never anywhere I could not get. In contrast, my wife has a '97 Subaru Outback that seem grossly underpowered, not sure if it has the bigger or smaller 4 cylinder that they were putting in at that point. At 5'8 or 9" it is a major pain for me to sleep in the back, where as in the Tacoma it was easy (build a deck above the wheel wells and 6' long draws to slide under there). |
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Thanks for all the advice so far everyone! Does anybody have a link to the old threads that have been mentioned on this subject? I went digging for several pages on this board as well as the general discussion one without finding anything (search didn't help much either but maybe I went about it the wrong way). |
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Here are few I was able to dig up: |
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Well my choice for all-around-car would be a 911tt, not much clearance nor a ton of room, you would not want to sleep in it; and gas mileage is not great ~20. But I love mine, however I usually don't take it to crag :-( |