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By David Sahalie
From on the road again
Aug 7, 2014
Thanks Joan for the faux news worthy sound bite! Being as you live with a bearded ginger in a van, play nurse, and climb on rocks, I really value your opinion on how people's recreational choices contribute to society.

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By Craig Childre
From Lubbock, Texas
Aug 7, 2014
Potrero Mexico, Sport Climbing Mecca.
Car and Driver study has revealed, stoned drivers are more cautious than those who are dead sober.

First, testers were sent through a driving course, timed and scored for fouls (hitting cones).

Then, they got them all baked. Reconfigured the test course. Sent the now stoned drivers through the revised course.

All recorded a slower time navigating under the influence, at the same time, they recorded fewer fouls.

I just don't see the 'paranoid' driver, crashing all that often. No evidence has been found to the contrary.

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By Ian Stewart
Aug 7, 2014
Senior Hernandez wrote:
I have never avoided WY but I do avoid Utah. Based on the op's report, I may begin avoiding that state as well.


This is a very silly reason to completely avoid two states with some of the best climbing in the world.


As for driving high, I think the most important thing to remember is that it is still illegal in every state. Regardless of whether or not it actually impairs you or puts others at risk, the consequences of driving under the influence are severe and something I wouldn't want to mess with. Sure, I've gotten behind the wheel shortly after a smoke to pick up some shit from Home Depot a few miles away, but toking up just to make a long drive across Wyoming or Utah seems like you're just poking the bear. I'm not criticizing, as I totally understand the appeal and would rather be in a car with a high driver than with one that's extremely tired (or even just a 'bad' driver), but for me it's just not worth it.

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By Joan Lee
Aug 7, 2014
Me
To all the freaks with good imagination on here: good pro is not me. She seems to be like a cool person I would like to hang out with for fun. Van life update: it's freaking awesome! Some military dudes loved it and one of them said he just bough one himself....as they directed us to the climbing area when we got stranded on the base (way cool stuff there and I wish they would let us do some role playing with them I just did not have the guts to ask).

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By Joan Lee
Aug 7, 2014
Me
good pro wrote:
Guys Tony B is right on here. I've seen my share of lazy, unmotivated pot heads ands stoners. They can barely even get out of the door to go climb let alone get behind the wheel! Maybe they can watch and quote a few lines from a Hollywood movie but they will probably misquote the lines because their memories are so warped and skewed!

I just read up on some of the side effects of THC (marijuana) and it is : calming, sedating, paranoia and anxiety in some individuals, along with other undesirable effects like lung cancer with long term use. Now that medical marijuana is legal getting in trouble with the law is no longer an issue but some employers will fire you if any of that stuff is detected. I do believe that the high lasts longer than just 3 hours. But if you chose to smoke it, only smoke it at night and NOT before climbing or diving or such activities that require present mind. To get motivated just keep pushing yourselves and do listen to people around you when they tell you to get off your ass.

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By Joan Lee
Aug 7, 2014
Me
Medical marijuana is legal in Washington state too but NOT in Canada.

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By Cor
Aug 7, 2014
black nasty
Yeah, please don't climb, or do things that require skill…

That's why Sharma climbs so well mind you all! (Kicked out of comps for testing positive.)

Oh, and then the Olympic athletes that just do so well, and they do it too.


And then all the presidents who run/ran the country and admitted to it also…

Jus'Sayin!

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By goatboy
From Nederland, CO
Aug 7, 2014
Tony B wrote:
If you like the idea of people lighting up and getting behind the wheel right away, "nice..." I hope you don't kill anyone or get killed. I, for one, have seen enough lives ruined. It's been liquor, for the most part, on the road, but the studies are the same. Suggesting texting is worse isn't a great excuse.



Please provide the links to the scientific studies done showing driving stoned is the same as texting or driving drunk.

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By Eric G.
Aug 7, 2014
Tony B wrote:
My actual reference was Dostoyevskian; a philosophical and literary reference to 'Crime and Punishment.'


Are you on drugs?


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By goatboy
From Nederland, CO
Aug 7, 2014
good pro wrote:
Guys Tony B is right on here. I've seen my share of lazy, unmotivated pot heads ands stoners. They can barely even get out of the door to go climb let alone get behind the wheel! Maybe they can watch and quote a few lines from a Hollywood movie but they will probably misquote the lines because their memories are so warped and skewed!


You're projecting your experience onto others. Just because you seen others become a lazy slob while stoned does not mean it effects others the same way. Please educate yourself on the different strains between sativa and indica and how it effects the body before making broad generalizations.

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By Tommy Layback
From Sheridan, WY
Aug 7, 2014
Tom on Cloud Peak, Bighorn Mtns, WY.  Blacktooth and Mount Woolsey in the background.
goatboy wrote:
You're projecting your experience onto others. Just because you become a lazy slob while stoned does not mean it effects others the same way.


+1

But good points made by all sides of this argument.

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By Crisco Jackass
From Grand Junction, CO
Aug 7, 2014
Topic sparked my curiosity, did a Web of Science search for "marijuana driving" and found this: Trends in fatal motor vehicle crashes before and after marijuana commercialization in Colorado.

There were a few other interesting studies, a few detailing the stats of those surveys we all took in high school (I always wondered what became of those), but really nothing clinical. I don't consider stoned 18-25 year olds in a lab on a simulator all that compelling.

Regardless of my perceived abilities, I always ask myself, "What would happen to me if it was someone else's fault?" If I'm in the hospital hopefully getting life-saving attention after an accident, they're gonna test me.

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By Senior Hernandez
Aug 7, 2014
on the trip
Ian Stewart wrote:
This is a very silly reason to completely avoid two states with some of the best climbing in the world. As for driving high, I think the most important thing to remember is that it is still illegal in every state. Regardless of whether or not it actually impairs you or puts others at risk, the consequences of driving under the influence are severe and something I wouldn't want to mess with. Sure, I've gotten behind the wheel shortly after a smoke to pick up some shit from Home Depot a few miles away, but toking up just to make a long drive across Wyoming or Utah seems like you're just poking the bear. I'm not criticizing, as I totally understand the appeal and would rather be in a car with a high driver than with one that's extremely tired (or even just a 'bad' driver), but for me it's just not worth it.




I agree completely, however, studies that most people get in accidents near their house. So based on the info available, it's more dangerous to smoke and drive to Home Depot then smoke and drive to NY. Lol!! Bias is a bitch!

I don't drive around these states because I smoke, I do that because I don't support authoritarianism or organized profit seeking gangs. I know, every ideal has it's consequence. Mine is no more Utah. Utah has the concequence of no money from me. We will see how badly I lose.

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By mediocre
Aug 7, 2014
Holy Sh**t people,
I hate to be the one that bursts the bubble, but people who drove stoned before it was legalized will continue to do so, and those that did not, will not start. The same thing goes for people climbing, biking, hiking or trying to get into grad school or starting a business, or anything else productive. All this law does is allow people who partake able to enjoy it and not have to break the law. Maybe we'll get lucky and a few people who decide to try it will switch to weed and cut down on booze? This is weed people, not crack.
Can we get back to making fun of red neck cops?

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By KevinCO
From Loveland, CO
Aug 8, 2014
Was at the Voo today. Be very alert on I-80 going through the construction zones. There are sections that are marked at 65 (down from 75), and then there are short sections that are marked 45.

I went through one of the 45 sections well over 45 and a HP immediately pulled right behind me, almost tail gaiting. When it changed back to 65 I stayed well under 65 and prayed. After the construction zone ended, he passed me. Whew!

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By Tom-onator
From This Galaxy
Aug 8, 2014
Tom-onator
Joan Lee wrote:
To all the freaks with good imagination on here: good pro is not me. She seems to be like a cool person I would like to hang out with for fun.

Finkle and Einhorn, Einhorn and Finkle.

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By Brian Scoggins
From Eugene, OR
Aug 8, 2014
KevinCO wrote:
Was at the Voo today. Be very alert on I-80 going through the construction zones. There are sections that are marked at 65 (down from 75), and then there are short sections that are marked 45. I went through one of the 45 sections well over 45 and a HP immediately pulled right behind me, almost tail gaiting. When it changed back to 65 I stayed well under 65 and prayed. After the construction zone ended, he passed me. Whew!


That was the gist of my argument. For a long time, Wyoming would give you a minimal ticket for 10 over, and a huge ticket for 11+ over the limit. Low level speeding on the interstate just isn't worth the HP's time, but out-of-state plates on a back road (although, a back road to what? getting to Cheyenne, or Laramie, from Vedauwoo, without taking the interstate, is kind of an involved process) could be.

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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Aug 8, 2014
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "Alan Nelson's Bulging Belly" (5.10, X) on the Lost and Found Flatiron. Belayer is Mark Ruocco. Photo by Bill Wright, 10/06.
Eric G. wrote:
Are you on drugs?

On occasion, but I don't drive that way.

Senior Hernandez wrote:
So your saying you don't need to get the last word? I am confused because that is not how this thread reads. I don't even see JQ mention the last word but it seems you are Pretty attached to the concept.

That's because he changed his post after I replied to eliminate the irony... another way of having the last word. I'm not a last-word-card-player. I was just amused that he was and called it on him. As for trolls, was it not clear what my relationship with that is?

goatboy wrote:
Please provide the links to the scientific studies done showing driving stoned is the same as texting or driving drunk.

I can see where that was easily misunderstood. I should have used the word "similar" not "same." What was intended was to say that if you are substantially altered, your probability of an accident gets much higher. The studies on that have already been linked.
Most F'd up driving is on alcohol, it's more common. I don't reserve any special treatment for anyone who drives in any particular altered state, really. It's all about the same for me.
Driving while texting... well, there you go. That's about the same as a .08-.1BAC in the studies I have read. I also don't do that and don't ride in a car with someone who is. Luckily, none of my friends seem tempted to.

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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Aug 8, 2014
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "Alan Nelson's Bulging Belly" (5.10, X) on the Lost and Found Flatiron. Belayer is Mark Ruocco. Photo by Bill Wright, 10/06.
good pro wrote:
Guys Tony B is right on here.


OK, there's a wake-up call. I see the light now. I must have been wrong all along. Sorry everybody. My fault.

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By good pro
Aug 8, 2014
prof pic
Always happy to share the light Tony B.

ps.. lay off the suicide jokes. not very good taste I'd say.

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By Joan Lee
Aug 8, 2014
Me
SCUBA diving in altered state of mind is what you don't wanna do. As it is your brain is going crazy with vertigo and pressure changes, weird sounds and temperature changes and the constant movement of the ocean surg. We knew this crazy dude in Diego who got high on acid and had his friends drag him tied into a rope behind a speed boat. He said it was the best sensation he ever felt in his life. But hey? Is it worth it? Some may say yes but you may face the consequences as a result.

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By Joan Lee
Aug 8, 2014
Me
Joan Lee wrote:
SCUBA diving in altered state of mind is what you don't wanna do. As it is your brain is going crazy with vertigo and pressure changes, weird sounds and temperature changes and the constant movement of the ocean surg. We knew this crazy dude in Diego who got high on acid and had his friends drag him tied into a rope behind a speed boat. He said it was the best sensation he ever felt in his life. But hey? Is it worth it? Some may say yes but you may face the consequences as a result.

Not to feed into some crazy comments on here but Tony B that would be the way to go. Yo at least you get the ride of your life with it. I am not by all means condoning doing yourself in because it is against my religion and very strong convictions as a nurse. That is a disclaimer ;)

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By Joan Lee
Aug 8, 2014
Me
Here is something to break it up a little bit
Light bulbs.
Light bulbs.

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By Tom-onator
From This Galaxy
Aug 9, 2014
Tom-onator
Joan Lee wrote:
SCUBA diving in altered state of mind is what you don't wanna do. As it is your brain is going crazy with vertigo and pressure changes, weird sounds and temperature changes and the constant movement of the ocean surf. We knew this crazy dude in Diego who got high on acid and had his friends drag him tied into a rope behind a speed boat. He said it was the best sensation he ever felt in his life. But hey? Is it worth it? Some may say yes but you may face the consequences as a result.


Joan Lee wrote:
Not to feed into some crazy comments on here but Tony B that would be the way to go. Yo at least you get the ride of your life with it. I am not by all means condoning doing yourself in because it is against my religion and very strong convictions as a nurse. That is a disclaimer ;)


Joan Lee wrote:
Here is something to break it up a little bit


Threadjacking Looney.
Threadjacking Looney.

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By Joan Lee
Aug 9, 2014
Me
Tom (orator bhahaha) the more you post things like that the creepier you are. What happened to your doll btw? Stuck in a closet along with your cross dressing outfits?

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