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By Senior Hernandez
Aug 7, 2014
on the trip
Ian Stewart wrote:
This is a very silly reason to completely avoid two states with some of the best climbing in the world. As for driving high, I think the most important thing to remember is that it is still illegal in every state. Regardless of whether or not it actually impairs you or puts others at risk, the consequences of driving under the influence are severe and something I wouldn't want to mess with. Sure, I've gotten behind the wheel shortly after a smoke to pick up some shit from Home Depot a few miles away, but toking up just to make a long drive across Wyoming or Utah seems like you're just poking the bear. I'm not criticizing, as I totally understand the appeal and would rather be in a car with a high driver than with one that's extremely tired (or even just a 'bad' driver), but for me it's just not worth it.




I agree completely, however, studies that most people get in accidents near their house. So based on the info available, it's more dangerous to smoke and drive to Home Depot then smoke and drive to NY. Lol!! Bias is a bitch!

I don't drive around these states because I smoke, I do that because I don't support authoritarianism or organized profit seeking gangs. I know, every ideal has it's consequence. Mine is no more Utah. Utah has the concequence of no money from me. We will see how badly I lose.

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By mediocre
Aug 7, 2014
Holy Sh**t people,
I hate to be the one that bursts the bubble, but people who drove stoned before it was legalized will continue to do so, and those that did not, will not start. The same thing goes for people climbing, biking, hiking or trying to get into grad school or starting a business, or anything else productive. All this law does is allow people who partake able to enjoy it and not have to break the law. Maybe we'll get lucky and a few people who decide to try it will switch to weed and cut down on booze? This is weed people, not crack.
Can we get back to making fun of red neck cops?

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By KevinCO
From Loveland, CO
Aug 8, 2014
Was at the Voo today. Be very alert on I-80 going through the construction zones. There are sections that are marked at 65 (down from 75), and then there are short sections that are marked 45.

I went through one of the 45 sections well over 45 and a HP immediately pulled right behind me, almost tail gaiting. When it changed back to 65 I stayed well under 65 and prayed. After the construction zone ended, he passed me. Whew!

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By Tom-onator
From This Galaxy
Aug 8, 2014
Tom-onator
Joan Lee wrote:
To all the freaks with good imagination on here: good pro is not me. She seems to be like a cool person I would like to hang out with for fun.

Finkle and Einhorn, Einhorn and Finkle.

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By Brian Scoggins
From Eugene, OR
Aug 8, 2014
KevinCO wrote:
Was at the Voo today. Be very alert on I-80 going through the construction zones. There are sections that are marked at 65 (down from 75), and then there are short sections that are marked 45. I went through one of the 45 sections well over 45 and a HP immediately pulled right behind me, almost tail gaiting. When it changed back to 65 I stayed well under 65 and prayed. After the construction zone ended, he passed me. Whew!


That was the gist of my argument. For a long time, Wyoming would give you a minimal ticket for 10 over, and a huge ticket for 11+ over the limit. Low level speeding on the interstate just isn't worth the HP's time, but out-of-state plates on a back road (although, a back road to what? getting to Cheyenne, or Laramie, from Vedauwoo, without taking the interstate, is kind of an involved process) could be.

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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Aug 8, 2014
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "...
Eric G. wrote:
Are you on drugs?

On occasion, but I don't drive that way.

Senior Hernandez wrote:
So your saying you don't need to get the last word? I am confused because that is not how this thread reads. I don't even see JQ mention the last word but it seems you are Pretty attached to the concept.

That's because he changed his post after I replied to eliminate the irony... another way of having the last word. I'm not a last-word-card-player. I was just amused that he was and called it on him. As for trolls, was it not clear what my relationship with that is?

goatboy wrote:
Please provide the links to the scientific studies done showing driving stoned is the same as texting or driving drunk.

I can see where that was easily misunderstood. I should have used the word "similar" not "same." What was intended was to say that if you are substantially altered, your probability of an accident gets much higher. The studies on that have already been linked.
Most F'd up driving is on alcohol, it's more common. I don't reserve any special treatment for anyone who drives in any particular altered state, really. It's all about the same for me.
Driving while texting... well, there you go. That's about the same as a .08-.1BAC in the studies I have read. I also don't do that and don't ride in a car with someone who is. Luckily, none of my friends seem tempted to.

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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Aug 8, 2014
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "...
good pro wrote:
Guys Tony B is right on here.


OK, there's a wake-up call. I see the light now. I must have been wrong all along. Sorry everybody. My fault.

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By good pro
Aug 8, 2014
Always happy to share the light Tony B.

ps.. lay off the suicide jokes. not very good taste I'd say.

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By Joan Lee
Aug 8, 2014
Me
SCUBA diving in altered state of mind is what you don't wanna do. As it is your brain is going crazy with vertigo and pressure changes, weird sounds and temperature changes and the constant movement of the ocean surg. We knew this crazy dude in Diego who got high on acid and had his friends drag him tied into a rope behind a speed boat. He said it was the best sensation he ever felt in his life. But hey? Is it worth it? Some may say yes but you may face the consequences as a result.

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By Joan Lee
Aug 8, 2014
Me
Joan Lee wrote:
SCUBA diving in altered state of mind is what you don't wanna do. As it is your brain is going crazy with vertigo and pressure changes, weird sounds and temperature changes and the constant movement of the ocean surg. We knew this crazy dude in Diego who got high on acid and had his friends drag him tied into a rope behind a speed boat. He said it was the best sensation he ever felt in his life. But hey? Is it worth it? Some may say yes but you may face the consequences as a result.

Not to feed into some crazy comments on here but Tony B that would be the way to go. Yo at least you get the ride of your life with it. I am not by all means condoning doing yourself in because it is against my religion and very strong convictions as a nurse. That is a disclaimer ;)

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By Joan Lee
Aug 8, 2014
Me
Here is something to break it up a little bit
Light bulbs.
Light bulbs.

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By Tom-onator
From This Galaxy
Aug 9, 2014
Tom-onator
Joan Lee wrote:
SCUBA diving in altered state of mind is what you don't wanna do. As it is your brain is going crazy with vertigo and pressure changes, weird sounds and temperature changes and the constant movement of the ocean surf. We knew this crazy dude in Diego who got high on acid and had his friends drag him tied into a rope behind a speed boat. He said it was the best sensation he ever felt in his life. But hey? Is it worth it? Some may say yes but you may face the consequences as a result.


Joan Lee wrote:
Not to feed into some crazy comments on here but Tony B that would be the way to go. Yo at least you get the ride of your life with it. I am not by all means condoning doing yourself in because it is against my religion and very strong convictions as a nurse. That is a disclaimer ;)


Joan Lee wrote:
Here is something to break it up a little bit


Threadjacking Looney.
Threadjacking Looney.

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By Joan Lee
Aug 9, 2014
Me
Tom (orator bhahaha) the more you post things like that the creepier you are. What happened to your doll btw? Stuck in a closet along with your cross dressing outfits?

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By TBlom
Aug 10, 2014
I am glad this thread has seen some traffic.

David, Good pro, Tony, etc. good points offered, maybe we could quit bashing on each other?! (ie, guideline #1!)

It is not about whether one should drive stoned or not, or whether one should carry weed or hash, or about the effects of driving high...

The idea was to give climbers a heads up that they are being targeted when visiting certain areas. I wouldn't avoid an area just because of it, but travel wisely and maybe dry out for the weekend when going certain places.

I have always distrusted cops, and their 'letter of the law' blind adherence to stupid laws. At least in Colorado you have to do something real to get pulled over. These guys are fabricating reasons to stop green plates, which means that driving perfect won't keep you safe if you are carrying.

Hermosa road is a pretty route back to 287 and the front range if you don't feel like driving through the junkyard called Cheyenne and dodging 18 wheelers on I-25. About 6-8 miles of connector road. Kind of funny that they had a K9 unit back there on that deserted road that no one travels.

Once again, our driver was sober (my vehicle, I was not). We were stopped head on doing about 20-25mph and boxed in by two vehicles.
Reason for stopping was given as either "a report of a pickup stopped on railroad tracks", and "barely anyone takes that road, so we figured we should stop you." Both are BS reasons. We saw one of the same sheriffs on the same road on the way there, indicating that they are doing nothing but poaching that road for green plates. Never asked for registration or insurance, checked 3 of 4 id's, never asked who owned the vehicle even though the driver did not. Overall horribly inconsistent and reeks of bending the law on their part.

This also indicates that [if their report was true] whoever lives by the rail crossing is buddies with the sheriff and is calling in vehicles that are heading toward Tie-siding. They were racing up the road as if to cut us off before we hit 287.

Anyway, keep it civil, be wise and careful. Might be worth traveling sober and not carrying anything if you want to avoid any worse than an intimidation stop.

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By Bill Kirby
From Baltimore Maryland
Aug 10, 2014
Me eating a cliff bar walking back from Frankenste...
Joan Lee wrote:
SCUBA diving in altered state of mind is what you don't wanna do.


No, SCUBA diving isn't what you wanna do in an altered state of mind. For other people it's just like driving. Some people suck at it and shouldnt do it sober or high and some.. Well you get it.

Maybe you guys in CO can help me out... Sorry to hijack

I have friends in Maryland who won't go to Colorado. They here thought everyone could buy weed, smoke up and have a great time. In contrast, a group of friends got pulled over in a rental, couldn't find a hotel to smoke pot and hangout in and said the Denver police were out to get them. Any truth to this? I cant find anyone to travel to CO with me. My friends are either single stoners or sober with too much going on and not enough money. This story my friends tell seems false from what I read in the Times and watch on CNN.

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By Eliot Augusto
From Boulder, CO
Aug 10, 2014
Bill Kirby wrote:
No, SCUBA diving isn't what you wanna do in an altered state of mind. For other people it's just like driving. Some people suck at it and shouldnt do it sober or high and some.. Well you get it. Maybe you guys in CO can help me out... Sorry to hijack I have friends in Maryland who won't go to Colorado. They here thought everyone could buy weed, smoke up and have a great time. In contrast, a group of friends got pulled over in a rental, couldn't find a hotel to smoke pot and hangout in and said the Denver police were out to get them. Any truth to this? I cant find anyone to travel to CO with me. My friends are either single stoners or sober with too much going on and not enough money. This story my friends tell seems false from what I read in the Times and watch on CNN.


The cops aren't out to get you. I don't get why everyone thinks that. 5.5 million people in CO, and with the same census info CO maintains about 20 officers per 10,000 people. So there are approximately 11,000 cops to 5.5 million people(a 1:500 ratio), and everyone thinks cops are out to get them. Cops are out to get the people who are being jackasses. If you roll up from out of state and think that just because weed is legal you can smoke everywhere, then yeah. You'll probably get fucked with. Businesses also don't have to let you smoke on their property just because it is legal in the state. It is still a crime federally and the gov't can seize capital assets.

If you come out, don't be a jackass and you'll be fine. There are plenty of places to smoke.

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By Bill Kirby
From Baltimore Maryland
Aug 10, 2014
Me eating a cliff bar walking back from Frankenste...
The cops aren't out to get you. I don't get why everyone thinks that. 5.5 million people in CO, and with the same census info CO maintains about 20 officers per 10,000 people. So there are approximately 11,000 cops to 5.5 million people(a 1:500 ratio), and everyone thinks cops are out to get them. Cops are out to get the people who are being jackasses. If you roll up from out of state and think that just because weed is legal you can smoke everywhere, then yeah. You'll probably get fucked with. Businesses also don't have to let you smoke on their property just because it is legal in the state. It is still a crime federally and the gov't can seize capital assets. If you come out, don't be a jackass and you'll be fine. There are plenty of places to smoke.

Well that was worthless information. You're right cops aren't out to get me. I'm a straightedge 5%er who shows up from outta state and spends a shit ton of money on the 100 days of vacation I take a year. NY, NH and Canada are certainly out to get me... Get me to come back year after year.

While I can't say for certain that the friends I speak of were discreet responsible citizens I can say they I trust them to tell a straight story. They told me they're respectful so I believe them. I doubt that couple acted like jackasses. Let's get away from that because.. Like whatever dude. So you're telling me that hotels have smoking rooms but no smoking rooms? Now I understand why the pot tour companies on CNN are making money.

Lastly, there are places to smoke? Every responsible pot smoker I know smokes at their home or in their backyard. This way there's less chance of getting arrested. Hard to keep from being a jackass if you can't smoke in your room or on the chair lift or the mountain or in the park. Again this is second hand information. I haven't been back to Colorado since my wife visited the hospital in Summit County from the altitude.

I have a home in the upper village of Whistler BC. The Sea to Sky.. There's a place I drag my pothead buddies! Wow, im almost cool with the fact BC uses strata fees for socialism.

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By good pro
Aug 10, 2014
Bill brings up some good points. If you get high at altitude you could be in for a rude awakening. Seems like we can all put two and two together there.
If you get high while skiing, for example, you are likely to be arrested. & you can see how something might go wrong on the chairlift ride up. Backyards probably seem safe but it's a different game when you're at altitude!

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By good pro
Aug 10, 2014
good pro wrote:
Bill brings up some good points. If you get high at altitude you could be in for a rude awakening. Seems like we can all put two and two together there. If you get high while skiing, for example, you are likely to be arrested. & you can see how something might go wrong on the chairlift ride up. Backyards probably seem safe but it's a different game when you're at altitude!


Not to mention all these tourist stoners often arrive in Colorado as reasonable people if they can make it home , they returned zombified, hopefully : leaving some of our vegetation untrammeled

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By Joan Lee
Aug 10, 2014
Me
So if you are a "good diver/climber/driver" it's OK to get stoned while at it? Hey, maybe it's even beneficial, increases your awareness or something? We got to run it by Congress and the Board of Transportation/Nursing/Brain surgery/Pilot. I would prefer a stoned doctor. Maybe our next president should be elected based on his knowledge of marijuana dispensaries in Boulder? Parenting should be done while stoned for better results! It should become a requirement to have it on hand at all times while in college!
Get to work people.

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By Bill Kirby
From Baltimore Maryland
Aug 11, 2014
Me eating a cliff bar walking back from Frankenste...
Eliot, sorry I should have written words that were polite. My only excuse is I've been with my inlaws for almost three weeks now. A necessary evil to access all the good climbing in the Adirondacks. But damn, they get on my nerves!

Good to hear that my buddies, a married couple in their forties were paranoid. Isn't that a side effect for pot? Haha.. I could see if those guys were long haired hippies or something. I'll be sure to relay this back to the friends I still can travel this information.


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By Bill Kirby
From Baltimore Maryland
Aug 11, 2014
Me eating a cliff bar walking back from Frankenste...
It was a candy bar. Funny story that debunks the myth that nothing bad can happen while hign on marijuana. My other favorite being it's just plant.

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By Bill Kirby
From Baltimore Maryland
Aug 11, 2014
Me eating a cliff bar walking back from Frankenste...
Eight hours!? Mmmmm.. I wonder how long that would last me? I notice how pot seems to relax people on way down from the alpine or the last few hours of bagged peak. I think that would be fun. But then I fill my head with thoughts from being lost and alone. Maybe a random drug test from OSHA when returning to the city so I'm stil sober. Maybe when I retire.


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By The Phoenix
Aug 11, 2014
The Phoenix
good pro wrote:
If you get high while skiing, for example, you are likely to be arrested. & you can see how something might go wrong on the chairlift ride up.


This is probably the most asinine comment i've read on here... did you know they serve alcohol at the bar at the base of every ski area AND they let people go riding afterwards ANYWAY, even let them on the chairlift!!! Could u image what could go wrong... oh the horrors!

Who's going to arrest you BTW? When was the last time you saw a cop skiing in uniform?

crawl back into your sheltered hole... pls.

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By The Phoenix
Aug 11, 2014
The Phoenix
Joan Lee wrote:
I just read up on some of the side effects of THC (marijuana) and it is : calming, sedating, paranoia and anxiety in some individuals, along with other undesirable effects like lung cancer with long term use. Now that medical marijuana is legal getting in trouble with the law is no longer an issue but some employers will fire you if any of that stuff is detected. I do believe that the high lasts longer than just 3 hours. But if you chose to smoke it, only smoke it at night and NOT before climbing or diving or such activities that require present mind. To get motivated just keep pushing yourselves and do listen to people around you when they tell you to get off your ass.



U told this to Sharma or Graham? Lol... oh right talking out ur ass...

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