Forbidden Paradise 

Very good climb, but 3 stars may be, well... a bit enthusiastic.

in between the frst and second bolts you can also slot a small stopper, its not that far from the next bolt but its there if you want it, this climb and heart and sole are the best climbs of that grade on Echo Rock.

Good climbing that's a bit steeper and better protected than most of the climbs on Echo Rock. The moves up to and past the first bolt are SUPER greasy and show the effects of popularity. Optional nut placement between bolts one and two as Steveo mentioned. Fun climbing with sustained balancy moves and good protection. Three stars out of five.

The moves up to and past the first bolt are indeed GREASY--in fact they are grease defined. My leader took six falls on that first bolt. The six pack of beer probably didn't help...

I'm on the short side of 5'8" and I need to make the crux rock over step up BEFORE clipping the bolt. Not bad...just heady.

This route is too good!

lead this again and felt in the b/c area today.......this one is really nice and has some super cools moves..... deffinatly bolted well.......not "Sport" but as mentioned by someone...kind of "Josh Sport"..... to the "Sportsters"...do this one you'll love it! Safe with a touch of Josh Thrill...........

Any advances over the last 25 years in the adhesion qualities of rubber have been rendered obsolete by the increasing smoothness of that one foot placement at the crux. Some nice moves on this route.

I think this is a great route. It is well bolted for Joshua Tree standards and reasonably bolted by other standards; I dont like runout and it feels fine to me. The moves are fun and varied and choosing the easiest line takes a little figuring. I would not burn the energy hanging out to place a nut on the route unless you have a nut fetish - the bolts are not that far apart. I would like to think the route is a little sandbagged since it took me three goes to redpoint it, but it could be one of those home crag advantage things. Crux is between first and 2nd bolts and the roof move is hard until you figure out how to do it. I love this route (obviously that Randy dude dont know nothin about JTree:), it was a very rewarding climb.

I agree the crux is between bolts 1&2. I got my feet by the bolt, felt 'em slipping and had to do the'ol back-run to 'till i was caught!! Sweet route took me a couple tries to figure the crux out.
I put a GREEN alien where others plased a nut. I f the next moves were gonna be as hard as the earlier I wanted "something" there but, didn't end up testing it!! The roof moves aren't bad just, hard to commit to.

Awesome route for JT face climbing. You guys are right - well protected for Josh. Rich - glad to know I'm not the only one to take a lead "run" form the crux, ha ha. But what a great ride it was!