Dancing Outlaw 

Not the same grade as Debra at potters.

As in harder? Easier?

I'm sure Debra is worse now with the broken crimp, but I thought it was on the mellower side of V8 prior to breakage. Dancing Outlaw has always been a good example of SB V8 in my opinion.

Dancing Outlaw is pretty much the standard for V8 in Santa Barbara, would be a mega-classic in any bouldering area, and has seen hundreds of ascents over the last 15 years.

To me Debra seemed harder. Also G Old Women seems as hard as this. Have you guys tried "Cradlerock Style v7" as in the Edwards guide. I will add it to Mt. p today, but it seemed hard. Thoughts?

Ok, so Debra is harder. But it seems that what you're trying to say is that Dancing Outlaw isn't V8. My previous comment was to clarify that Dancing Outlaw is confirmed at the grade. Debra has seen, what, maybe two ascents?

As far as Grotesque Old Woman, since the start hold broke many years ago, it's harder than it was, but I still don't think it's as hard as Dancing Outlaw.

And about Cradlerock Style, yeah I've done it (it's my problem) and yeah it's hard. Last time I checked, unless your last name is Ondra, V7 is hard. But you're frigging crazy if you think that it's as hard as the Outlaw!

And get rid of that Edwards guide and replace it with a proper guidebook!

I not trying to say Dancing Outlaw is not V8, I was thinking Debra was closer to V9. I think the Old Women was just hard for me compared to Outlaw, so I gave them the same grade. Anyways the difference is small and does not really matter. I was just interested in talking about it.

I was also not trying to say V7 is not a hard grade in regard to Cradlerock Style. I was thinking that the first move off the crimp rail seemed like one of the harder single moves I had done at the yard. I felt like it was a pure strength move (bad beta maybe?) that is harder than v7. After that it is much easier. Just my thoughts.

I will get your guide...someday haha.

Anyways thanks for the great response.