Bucksnort Slab Access?
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A buddy and I may go out to Bucksnort Slab this weekend for some granite crack & slab stuff. It's been about 3 years since I've been there and I noticed some older posts here about access problems, yet later posters apparently had no problems. I'm aware of the property issue, and have no plans to climb above the first pitch of the Classic Crack, but does anyone know if access is now problematic there? Many thanks, |
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Went to Bucksnort late November and didn't have any problems, a couple of locals stopped by to chat but no mention of us not being allowed to be there. Parking is very limited, I found one pull-out that I was certain wasn't on private land and allowed me to pull off the road; there are several spots that are posted "no trespass" and/or next to drives that we stayed away from (one spot has a sign that somebody pulled out and turned backwards, we avoided it). |
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Don't park right under the cliff! That goes for any area. |
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RockinGal wrote:Don't park right under the cliff! That goes for any area. Years ago, my buddy and I climbed the 5.8 crack, can't remember what it's called. He was on the second pitch, a bit off route and a rock came down. Turned out the rock smashed the back window of a car that was parked right next to the approach. We got out of there ASAP.So did you leave a note? |
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We went over to talk to the people on Classic Dihedral about the rock and that's when they told us about their windshield. They asked us to split the cost of replacing it and my partner said: Uhhh uhhh, no! And that's when we ran out of there. |
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RockinGal wrote:We went over to talk to the people on Classic Dihedral about the rock and that's when they told us about their windshield. They asked us to split the cost of replacing it and my partner said: Uhhh uhhh, no! And that's when we ran out of there.Classy move. |
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Mike Storeim wrote: Classy move.+1. Ummm really?? |
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Really. I didn't pull the rock off and I didn't park directly under the cliff. I don't see why I should have paid for it. |
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Rockingal - |
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Sorry - I can't quite let this lie. |
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I totally believe in taking responsibility for my actions and do so to a greater degree than most people. That doesn't mean I will pay for their mistakes. I did not park my car under the rock. |
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I am sorry to hear about the loss of your friend. |
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RockinGal wrote: If someone parked under the Bastille and a climber inadvertently dropped a rock on the car damaging it, should the climber pay for the damage?You bring up a good scenario, a lookylou is driving by, slows up and gets a rock in the windshield. I would be inclined to pay, especially if they pay half. There must be some liability for the car owner to place their car in a situation where it could encounter rock fall. I bet car insurance companies would assess some percent of blame to both parties if they could. From what I understand, when someone blows through a stop sign and hits your car, insurance still assigns some percent of blame to you. We always have to weigh what is "right" with perception since climbers are a minority user group. |
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There are currently no issues with those who actually own the land. You may run into a few folks that tell you, you are trespassing on land that they don't own. Always remember it's a privilege to climb on private property, have fun and be respectful. |
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Last point and I'm done. To the extent the climbers made a mistake by parking their car where they did, they were not asking you to pay for their "mistake" rather they accepted their portion of blame and merely asked you to pay for your part by offering to split the cost. |
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Jeeze if only they coulda caused a bazooka cruise missile to go off in a certain direction |
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I hate to contribute to this thread drift, but well here I go. What if it had been the land owner's windshield? |
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a sequence of gunfire, whiskey for the men, & beer for the horses |
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So I was on the way to the crag when a rock was spit up by the car I was tailgating; I think it was driven by "JoeP" (or maybe it was "Mike Storeim" or "Kbird"), anyways I'd like you to pay for half of my windshield, even though I was following too close...
I'm all for taking responsibility, but rock fall is not the fault of the climber. (A rock purposely thrown off a cliff may be another story though) Don't park under a cliff, a rock will fall on your car eventually. Paying for the windshield is what insurance is for. |
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i'm kind of not seeing how the rockfall isn't the fault of the climber. the climber pulled on it, and it fell. seems pretty cut and dry. the other folks offering to go half and half, the response (ie sneaking away with your tails between your legs) was knot. |
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Ok, Ok. Analyze this (true story): |