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By Tim Davis
From Atlanta
Sep 16, 2010

Will Butler wrote:
This is actually starting to be a really interesting discussion. I would argue that none of those areas are "world-class". Despite common misconceptions, Colorado actually has no "world-class" climbing. What we have is a ton of B+ rock climbing that combined with the access to good jobs and other outdoor activities makes for one hell of a place to live. Yosimite, Céüse, Majorca, Indian Creek, Bishop, Hueco, Railay, Chamonix, The Red, ect. are "world-class." Eldo, Lumpy, RMNP, SPlatte, Unaweep, Rifle, The Black are all great, but I think deserve a place on the next tier down.



I hope I didn't have a hand in starting this "world class" debate/controversy. I apologize if I did. I think to ease the tension I will put something out there we can all agree on: Sandrock is world class. No one can argue with that.


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By Milt H.
Sep 16, 2010

Anywhere but Utah,

Thank you


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By Jean Scott
Sep 16, 2010
Clear Creek Canyon

Western State College, Gunnison Colorado.

It's shaggy,scruffy "mountain man" territory. Are you able to take a "real winter?" Because if you can't, don't go there.

All the successful, world traveling climbing and/or extreme sport type alumni would take me all day to list.

Above all, the tuition is a fraction of the cost you'd spend at a large university, and yet the education to be had there is top notch.


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By willeslinger
From Golden, Colorado
Sep 17, 2010
I was pretty bummed when they didn't greenlight my "Bourne Identity" style reboot of The Eiger Sanction. This was from the rough draft's first act.

Will S: "shithole decaying rustbelt kinda town". I can't let this dig against Chattanooga rest. It's incredibly ignorant and has really pissed me off. Don't insult a Southerner's home town.

I think it's appropriate to quote some Skynyrd here. "Well I heard Mr. Young sing about us. Well I heard ole' Neal put us down. Well I hope Neal Young will remember... that A SOUTHERN MAN DON'T NEED HIM AROUND ANYHOW."

I say the same thing to you Will S. Don't like us? Fine, don't come climb here.

Item 1: Chattanooga as climbing town
Rock and Ice rates Chattanooga as the best climbing town

Item 2: Industry in Chattanooga:
-Volkswagen Chattanooga (Revolutionized Chattanooga's economy, our housing market is ROBUST to say the least. Just TRY to find a construction job in Boulder or Moab.)
-Alstom Chattanooga (world leader in Green energy technology)
-UNUM Provident Corp Fortune 500
-Blue Cross/Blue Shield of Tennessee
-Brach & Brock Confections
-Chattem Inc
-Dixie Yarns
-The Krystal Company
-McKee Banking Company
-North American Royalties
-Olan Mills, Inc.

Item 3: Infrastructure in Chattanooga
Fastest internet in ENTIRE COUNTRY

Now if you will excuse me, I'll be enjoying some "World Class" climbing at T-Wall.


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By John Peterson
Sep 17, 2010
In the Black

Jean Scott wrote:
Western State College, Gunnison Colorado. ... Above all, the tuition is a fraction of the cost you'd spend at a large university, and yet the education to be had there is top notch.


Damn straight. And the faculty are climbers too.

What other college runs trips to places like IC, Colorado National Monument, Unaweep, and even Red Rocks for next to nothing?


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By willeslinger
From Golden, Colorado
Sep 20, 2010
I was pretty bummed when they didn't greenlight my "Bourne Identity" style reboot of The Eiger Sanction. This was from the rough draft's first act.

Jean Scott wrote:
Western State College, Gunnison Colorado. It's shaggy,scruffy "mountain man" territory. Are you able to take a "real winter?" Because if you can't, don't go there.


Well hell yeah, what's tuition like?


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By YDPL8S
From Santa Monica, Ca.
Sep 20, 2010
Korea 1 1975

I'd say that the only drawback to WSC is that you'll love the lifestyle there so much that you'll basically do anything to stay after you've graduated. Like shoveling snow in the winter in Crested Butte, and cutting firewood in the summer, not me but I know several people that this scenario applies to.

"There is a leisure class at both ends of the economic spectrum"


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By willeslinger
From Golden, Colorado
Sep 20, 2010
I was pretty bummed when they didn't greenlight my "Bourne Identity" style reboot of The Eiger Sanction. This was from the rough draft's first act.

YDPL8S wrote:
"There is a leisure class at both ends of the economic spectrum"


I suffer through classes at UTC so I can live that quote.


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By Fea
Sep 22, 2010

Poor kid is probably so much more confused than he was at the beginning. Seriously though go to CSU for all the reasons mentioned above and so many more!


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By Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
Sep 22, 2010
Bocan

YDPL8S wrote:
I'd say that the only drawback to WSC is that you'll love the lifestyle there so much that you'll basically do anything to stay after you've graduated. Like shoveling snow in the winter in Crested Butte, and cutting firewood in the summer, not me but I know several people that this scenario applies to. "There is a leisure class at both ends of the economic spectrum"


My buddy moved to Crusty Butte to climb & ski etc...While visiting I asked him how many days of ice he got in and he answered none. He was working 3 jobs, living in a 2 bedroom w/ 3 roommates just to get by. Tough economy out there.


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By John Peterson
Sep 22, 2010
In the Black

willeslinger wrote:
Well hell yeah, what's tuition like?


 
Resident Non-Resident
Tuition $ 3,423* $12,889
Fees (required) $ 1,354 $ 1,354
Books & Supplies $ 1,500 $ 1,500
Room $ 4,884 $ 4,884
Board $ 3,742 $ 3,742
Transportation
& Personal $ 2,560 $ 3,250

Total Yearly $17,463 $27,619

This is from the website. The books and supplies seems really high. Dirtbag climbers could easily cut the last three down a lot. The non-resident tuition here is competitive with in-state in many eastern states.

Oh, and for you alumni out there:

Now with EDIBLE FOOD!


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By YDPL8S
From Santa Monica, Ca.
Sep 23, 2010
Korea 1 1975

What? no more Keating mystery meat green steamed patties. How will those freshman survive?


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By Will S
From Joshua Tree
Sep 23, 2010

John Peterson wrote:
The books and supplies seems really high.


Hmm. I guess it doesn't seem that high to me (outrageous to be sure, but not much different from what I experienced). I finished my bachelors a dozen or so years ago, and my books back then routinely ran $80-$150 per. These were engineering texts, so kinda beefy, but the racket they run has professors putting out "updated editions" with minimal changes (sometimes they only change the problem sets!..stick a new cd in the back and call it a "new updated 3d edition) to assure that the used book market doesn't cut into Prof Bookwriter's profits.

Biggest racket around, especially since their buddies in academia will aid the racket by requiring the most updated text.


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By John Barkhausen
Sep 23, 2010

I go to Prescott College, in Arizona, and there are eight or so areas within an hour, multiple classes that take you out climbing, and everyone seems to climb and want to go out all the time. I would look into it if you want climbing to be a part of your major.


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By Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
Sep 23, 2010
Bocan

Grant Gerhard wrote:
also CSU has prettier women


I was with some of the things you said until this...


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By Fat Dad
From Los Angeles, CA
Sep 23, 2010

Resident Non-Resident Tuition $ 3,423* $12,889 Fees (required) $ 1,354 $ 1,354 Books & Supplies $ 1,500 $ 1,500 Room $ 4,884 $ 4,884 Board $ 3,742 $ 3,742 Transportation & Personal $ 2,560 $ 3,250 Total Yearly $17,463 $27,619 quote>

That out of state tuition is going to be really fun to pay by chopping wood. I think there's definitely got to be a scale of cost in relation to educational benefit as well. Got to think some podunk school in western CO wouldn't fare too well on such a scale.


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By S. F. Pitman
From Boulder, CO
Apr 2, 2011

The University of the South in Sewanee, TN.

I am willing to bet that there are no other campuses that have multiple 5.13's (and 13,000 acres). I could be wrong, but I doubt it.


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By Mike Yuhnke
From Potsdam,NY
Apr 2, 2011

Rob Alexander wrote:
I used to go to SUNY Plattsburgh, only an hour from chapel pond/ Adirondacks


I just got accepted to Plattsburg's Expeditionary Studies program and I'll be going there this fall. I'm curious if that's the program you were in, or if you have any experience with them. I'm trying to learn as much I can from alumni and what they did after they graduated before I completely commit


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By Joe Forrester
From Palo Alto, CA
Apr 2, 2011

www.coloradocollege.edu/campusactivities/orc/cacc/securecacc>>>

Quite honestly, the best college for climbing AND obtaining an excellent education is Colorado College. You will set yourself up for any career you want. Check out the link above and tell me I am wrong.

Joe


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By GR Johnson
Apr 2, 2011

Here are my top 3:

#1 Quest College Squamish BC!
This is the champ! Best back country skiing, rock climbing, mtn. biking. Close proximity to the canadian rockies, north cascades and Rodgers Pass.

#2 MSU Bozeman
Great rock climbing, great ice climbing, great skiing, and lots of partners. It is also a very good college and cost of living is pretty cheap in ol montucky.

#3 I'll give it to Durango
Silverton, Ouray, Indian Creek, the Black, good skiing.


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By Bobby Treadwell
From Prescott, AZ
Apr 2, 2011
Walking the traverse.

Prescott College AZ, especially if you want to major in Adventure Ed.


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By Tom Fralich
From Fresno, CA
Apr 2, 2011

I think you need to weigh proximity with name recognition and reputation. Sure, there are tons of small colleges close to really good climbing. But a degree from those places isn't going to carry much weight if you leave the immediate community. I'm not saying that the education isn't good, but people will stare blankly at your answer to "where'd you go to school?" unless you add a clarifier on to the end every time. They may also be more likely to hire someone who went to a college that they've at least heard of before.

Surely places like UC Boulder, CSU, U of Utah are good bets. People doing the hiring in other states aren't going to scratch their head wondering where they are. Dartmouth is probably the highest rated college that is close to lots of good climbing. Admittedly, the climbing is better in CO/UT, but a slip of paper from Dartmouth is worth more than a lot of people might realize.


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By Kevin Brooks Henry
From Iowa City, IA
Apr 2, 2011
close up

If it's any help now, I'm thinking of majoring in immunology


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By cragsavvy
From Salt Lake City
Apr 2, 2011

University of Utah! I'm also 4 years away from college but I love living in Salt Lake. Such a great climbing community and every type of climbing imaginable, plus a lifetime worth of projects


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By Ice4life
From SLC, UT
Apr 3, 2011
GYM

North Country Community College!

I live 5 minutes from one of the best places to boulder in the ADK park, 5 minutes and a 10 minute walk to some local cracks, 20 minutes from Pitchoff, and 40 minutes from anything in chapel pond, beer walls, etc.. About 30 minutes to Willinghton. Theres so much rock and ice up here it's overwhelming.


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