so if we say you're right,ken, will you quit lecturing us? naw...i agree with the dea that it's just good ol communication...as long as one person doesn't have to one-up everyone constantly!!!

SMH---i like how you think, em me if you wanna climb

and check on the free beer...i'll keep that in mind.:)

I am not in any place to be a mentor to anyone but my son but I just thought I would throw that out for a laugh.
Thanks SMH for catching that one :)

Yes, so how do you attract one??? I think the answer may be you should not "attract" one but go find one. Choose your own. Someone you respect, admire and trust.

Boo YA!

OK, so to be totally off-topic to get back on-topic, there are a few pals I've made over the years that I am happy to basically "guide" for because it works well for me.

I.E.:
One gets great food and a selection of it for trips and even though he is not a morning person, totally gets up early to climb because he knows I am impatient & gagging to go in the AM- my vice, not his. But he not only accepts it, he goes out of his way to accomodate it.

One loaned me her car while I was in town, and gave me a room to stay in on a road trip.

One is willing to climb whatever I am into, incluing wilderness slogs to choss-piles.

What is in common: Well, first off, I enjoy their company- each of them. Second, they each know that they are getting something and go out of thier way to give back... And that my friends, is basically "free beer." Nelson has it right, at least metaphorically.

I don't think I would want Ken or Tony to mentor me based on all the he said/he said crap they keep posting? Grow up the both of you!
Post information based on the topic thats helpful and leave it alone.

Ken take a time out or I will have your comments on this site allocated to a spam box.
Group hug everybody.

Sarcasm dude!
I cant decide whether you need some ice cream or an emotional enema? But it looks like your co-dependent with your computer and thats sad.
Maybe you could do something more useful to your ego and your time like put another climbing related sticker on your car or go buy some new prana tights and sport them on over to the coffee shop.
You do wear tights...right?

Love to continue but my lunch breaks over and some of us do work.

Thank you, all. Now we have lots of material to work with.

Every one of you who has made the concerted effort to focus on lecturing Tony and myself is now guilty of the very thing of which you accused us.

You have proven that you are more interested in having a target, than you are in sticking to the topic. Silence and forbearance were always your options but you instead chose to strike. Tony and I did not Svengali you into that action. You did it all on your own.

So stop being hypocrites, and PLEASE say something that contributes to the topic. And, for Christ's sake, stop your damn whining.

Cheers

BTW, cisco, stay in your own pay grade; sarcasm requires intellect and wit - both of which you clearly lack.

Let me see if I got this right.

Bla, bla bla bla bla bla bla.

Yep, I think I got it.

Thanks

PS, My daddy can beat up your daddy

So did she get a mentor?

Alexandra, you're certainly not a pansy for feeling that way! There are a lot of climbs that are probably within my leading limit that I haven't had the courage to lead yet. Some of my strongest leads have come when my fiance (a much stronger leader) has had to back down and I've had to step it up and take over - on climbs that I never conceived being able to lead. From my observations, for some people, men's and women's reaction to getting on a lead that they should be able to lead is different - I tend to be a lot more hesitant than my guy friends on getting on something, but the more I climb the more I trust in my own abilities...

On a side note: there was an interesting study posted in the paper a couple months ago on why there aren't more women in the computer sciences. They found that classes were geared more towards a man's learning style of just jumping in and trying things. Where as women tended to want more direction before tearing into a new computer program. I think I fit this category for climbing - my fiance taught himself to climb by trial and error, but I wanted more direction and read a lot and followed for several years before leading..........

Ken, STFU for once. You detract from this website.

Kencangisuxmonkeyballs,
I couldn't disagree more. Ken keeps people on their toes (sometimes good, sometimes bad) but it is lively, engaging, and another viewpoint.


On a serious note. Ken and Tony should tie into the same rope and let the rest of us watch as a charity event. I would pay money to watch you two climb together. Man would that be a show! You guys should consider it. Seriously.

If only I could find the mentoring tips of drkodos. Man, was that a funny rant. It's been long since deleted from whence it was once posted.

"It is not your place to question the leader. You are the follower. YOU WILL DO AS YOU ARE TOLD! You have no position from which to question the leader. By definition you are clueless. so STFU!"


..or something to that effect.