By Phil Persson
From Tucson, Arizona
May 4, 2008
| Hey all...
Just seeing if anyone in Tucson might be up for some climbing on this upcoming Tuesday, no class/work for me means climb time. :) Was thinkin Summit Crags on Mt. Lemmon if it's not too cold... or maybe Green Slabs/Chimmney Rock lower down the mt... lookin for some moderate multi-pitch trad but sport is cool too. Maybe even hit up Cochise if it's not too hot and someone's interested.
Best Regards,
Phil Persson. |  |
By tbrain
From Tucson, AZ
May 5, 2008
| Phil- Robby will be post-call and is looking for a partner. Give him a call. (That is if you're comfortable having a dude who hasn't slept in 30+hrs belaying you.)
EDIT: Sorry, Phil. My own, currently post-call brain is failing me. Robby is looking for a partner for Tuesday, May 6th. Looks like I will be getting some sleep and not belaying you today, eh? Have fun and climb safely! -Tiffany | |
By Phil Persson
From Tucson, Arizona
May 5, 2008
| Hey Tiffany-
I am oficially retarded and don't know Spanish, what I really meant is tomorrow [May 6th] not the 5th haha... which would NOT be Cinco de Mayo. Ah well. Thanks for the info. though, I will give Robbie a call and see about tomorrow. Prob. catch you in the gym this week?
Thanks,
Phil. | |
By Eyes Of Green
From Phoenix, AZ
May 5, 2008
| Phil Persson wrote: Was thinkin Summit Crags on Mt. Lemmon if it's not too cold...
FYI, Summit Crags is closed every spring until June 15th or June 30th (depends, you need to check the exact date) due to raptor nesting. | |
By Phil Persson
From Tucson, Arizona
May 7, 2008
| Me and Robbie ended up having an awesome day doing 'Black Quaker' and a few other routes on Rappel Rock. Wicked fun climbing. We consulted with the birds before we climbed and they promised not to nest on our route. Haha just kiddin.... I do know about the bird closures, thanks for the head's up though. Guess I'd rather go climb anyways, and risk 'getting caught', just hard to pass up such great climbing, plus I don't think we were bothering the birds at all.
Best Regards,
Phil Persson. | |
By Eyes Of Green
From Phoenix, AZ
May 8, 2008
| Phil Persson wrote: I do know about the bird closures, thanks for the head's up though. Guess I'd rather go climb anyways, and risk 'getting caught', just hard to pass up such great climbing, plus I don't think we were bothering the birds at all.
Phil, you have much to learn about this issue. Because "getting caught" doesn't necessarily impose a penalty upon only yourself with these access issues you are violating, nor is the problem (at large) even about whether you successfully avoided nesting birds.
Regardless of whether or not birds were disturbed (and it's true they probably weren't or you'd have a different tale to tell), violating closures jeopardizes the entire climbing community's future ability to negotiate with land managers to re-open or partially open these areas. Climbers knowingly engaging in violations can really antagonize The Man who makes the decisions when closure periods expire and their "renewal" is up for re-evaluation and debate. And The Man is not going to feel friendly, sympathetic, or basically give one shit about what climbers want come that day if he knows they have not respected the rules in the past (regardless of whether they are fully justified or not). The Man will be in no mood to negotiate about re-opening anything for the rule-breaking climbing community.
I realize you are probably not really informed about this stuff. I've had the fortune to talk with a couple people who have extensive experience meeting with land managers on these types of obstacles and working on behalf of climbers like ourselves. I myself have wanted to venture out during perfect weather and find a route that is free and clear of birds in still-closed areas, but as a friend so aptly reminded me, "Would you really want it to be YOU who jeopardizes future access for the entire climbing community because you knowingly climbed in a closed area?"
Hope this helps you realize what this issue is all about and that you make a different decision next time. | |
By Christian
From Tucson, Az
May 8, 2008
| Geez Phil, I'm hard-pressed to decide what's more stupid: Climbing there with full knowledge of the ban or bragging about it on here. | |
By Brad Brandewie
May 8, 2008
| Christian wrote: Geez Phil, I'm hard-pressed to decide what's more stupid: Climbing there with full knowledge of the ban or bragging about it on here.
My thought exactly.
Phil, please don't jeopardize everyone's access by climbing on formations that are closed for nesting birds.
Thanks,
Brad | |
By Andy Novak
May 8, 2008
| "Guess I'd rather go climb anyways, and risk 'getting caught', just hard to pass up such great climbing, plus I don't think we were bothering the birds at all."
Dude, get a clue. Sometimes these raptors will abandon their nests if someone is even in the general area of the cliff, let alone on it. Thanks for putting climber access everywhere in jeopardy. | |
By Phil Persson
From Tucson, Arizona
May 8, 2008
| Yeah my apologies, didn't mean to open up a 'can of worms', so to speak, we actually didn't know about the raptor closures on rappel rockl before we climbed, we thought it might be closed but I said I though the dates were later on in the spring. In any case we disn't see any raptor activity in the area. Guess I didn't think of the implications on the larger climbing community regarding these closures, you made some good point's regarding access issues that could arise from that. Point well taken.
Best Regards,
Phil. | |
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