Kirra,

I didn't start the Sheepshead thread, so I could care less where it goes, however, I did start the rescue thread because I wanted to get some well thought insight on that topic.
No offence, I just don't want to see that thread get hijacked.

JF

Years ago Dean Brault and I climbed Peacemaker in 1.5 hours pack to pack. I'm not bragging about how fast we climbed. We did, however, get to the base of the climb by 8:30 AM. The point being, we knew we could do it quickly and we still got there early!!!!
Then we went over to Mutton Head and did a bunch of the 3 pitch sport
routes on that formation. We were going to do another but it was getting close to sundown so we didn't. The end result no rapping in the dark or anything. Imagine that.

I think the page here will have some details about 'The Sheepshead Incident' in the next month or so. I have to post this quote from the January 2008 Newsletter, though, as it's pretty much hilarious:

Sun, 09 Dec Missing hiker Ventana Canyon, Catalinas
14:27 – 14:52 A hiker with a twisted ankle was assisted out by a SARA member, who reported a missing companion. Meanwhile,
she returned from a visit to the ladies room.

On an unrelated note, there are some climbing gyms in Euroland that have zero permanent topropes (Arco, Italy has one). That's right, all climbs must be done on lead (routes can then be TR'd through the "anchor"). If you don't lead, or climb with somebody who does, you don't climb. Maybe that'd help with the false sense of security people get after successfully TRing a handful of 30' 5.8s indoors, on plastic holds, with color-taped routes, in a climate-controlled environment, etc...

When I first started climbing, I did not receive any formal training. I bought some gear (cheap--from a shop I was working at) and went and figured it out for myself (with a couple friends).

Because of this lack of training, I endured some unnecessary epics. I learned a lot from these epics. That's why I'm still here, 10+ years later, relatively healthy.

I'm sure people laughed at me along the way. To some extent, I'm glad I gave a few people laughs; I probably caused some headaches along the way for other climbers.

Anyway, I'm glad that things turned out the way they did for me. I consider myself a very 'instinctive' climber; when I get in a tight spot, I rely on my instincts to get me out of trouble--and they haven't failed me yet.

Have a chuckle at the expense of the rescued climbers if you will, but they might be sending 5.15s sometime down the line, you never know.

On a side note: If they had to pay for their rescue, I bet they would have thought twice about 1) going up the route under the circumstances that they did, and 2) calling for a rescue vs trying to extricate themselves from the situation.

Kirra, please stop polluting these important threads. Some of us are trying to learn something of value here. I would like to be able to read what some very experienced people are trying to say, but your injections of weird drama and sniping are making it impossible.
Thank you.

I've looked at these posts for some time on this web site. Kirra, you certainly know how to use personal attacks on everyone. Your demeanor on these threads makes me want to stay off of the various forums. Why don't you try to keep things civil...and perhaps be more mature.

Does MP have a killfile / ignore option? I guess not.

Russ-

Your posts are some of the funniest things I've read in a long time. Thanks!

Kirra? Hello?? Your posts disappeared. How strange...

Since this thread has drifted away then back then away, I don't feel too bad about this next drift.

Bill Dacier? Many of you may not know this but Bill is a long time AZ climber... interesting that his first post is telling Kirra to stop the babble.

Welcome to Mountain Project Bill. Tell us a story or two would ya? We're dying for something entertaining!

~Susan
Debora's Sister (as in Debora & Fernando)