By Eric Coffman Jul 28, 2012
| With the BD products being made in china fiasco I thought we should know who the american made manufacturers of climbing gear no matter what it is. If you know of any please post it here so we can spread the word and hopefully get these companies business. We know they have to abide by all our countries regulations regarding employment and the environment. Metolius is made here! And I've taken many falls on thier gear!! |  FLAG |
By Jake Jones From The Eastern Flatlands Jul 28, 2012
| Misty Mountain Threadworks |  FLAG |
By Austin Baird From SLC, Utah Jul 28, 2012
| What about your cars? Clothes? Electronics? You think those computers you're typing away on were made here in 'Murica? You routinely get in vehicles that travel 80 miles and hour and that contain parts made in China, Japan, Mexico, or India. Why make such a big deal about where your cams are made? |  FLAG |
By Austin Baird From SLC, Utah Jul 28, 2012
| So Eric - if you're going to only buy products whose manufacturers meet 'Murican standards on the environment and employment, I suggest you throw out pretty much everything you own. |  FLAG |
By APBT1976 From Never never land... Jul 28, 2012
| So what most are saying is "if you cant beat em you might as well join em" Freaking stupid defeatist attitude. If we just keep accepting what is on account of it being the "just the way it is" we are screwed. I am not a big America fan tbh. However that is mostly on account of the state of our country at the moment, its economic policy and the role we play as global police of sorts to the rest of the world. We have dug this hole so deep at this point we are all subject to it in some way shape or form know matter how hard we try. Sure you could make it your lives mission to not support any of it. Or maybe a smarter choice is to do your best to support as little of it as possible living by example in hopes change slowly occurs. If you do not look like some extremest freak people will show interest and maybe start to adopt new ways as they begin to see how unrealistic the system we have set up at this point is to live by long term. Or more specifically how unrealistic it is to sustain life as us Americans want it long term. Western Mountaineering Feathered Friends Cilo Gear Wild Things was i think till just this year? I can think of more. I don't think any of us can escape buying things made overseas. I do think we can easily with minor thought support American made goods. I do not see it as so much as supporting "America" as i see it as support our economy and us as people. We as people i have no problem with, the stance we take as "Americans" i am not so proud of!!! |  FLAG |
By Boissal From Small Lake, UT Jul 28, 2012
| Selective righteousness is the best kind. I hope you red-blooded hypocrites feel all warm and fuzzy when you pick up a US-made product. As Austin so correctly pointed out though, it's too bad you drove your Lesbaru fueled by foreign oil to get to the store then smugly tweeted about it on your Taiwan made laptop. Nobody's asking you to give up and stop buying US products if you feel so inclined. Maybe you could make it into more of personal endeavor as opposed to a highly publicized crusade. Oh, and stop being such a bunch of righteous preachy cunts while you're at it... |  FLAG |
By Flex From Flagstaff, AZ Jul 28, 2012
| Wired Bliss cams are made in AZ & CO. Some BD products are still made in SLC, not sure which ones but I'm sure they would tell you if you asked. |  FLAG |
By Josh Kornish Jul 28, 2012
| Some Metolius products are not made in the U.S. My Metolius gear sling is made in Vietnam. +1 for american made! NWALPINE Voormi Cold Cold World McHale Packs Valley Giants Runout Customs |  FLAG |
By rcguy Jul 28, 2012
| If I have to choose between 2 similar products, one made here and one made oversees, I'm going to lean toward America. That's not to say "Made In Somewhere Else" is bad, it's just a matter of giving our economy the benefit of the dollar. |  FLAG |
By Josh Kornish Jul 28, 2012
| Boissal wrote: Selective righteousness is the best kind. I hope you red-blooded hypocrites feel all warm and fuzzy when you pick up a US-made product. As Austin so correctly pointed out though, it's too bad you drove your Lesbaru fueled by foreign oil to get to the store then smugly tweeted about it on your Taiwan made laptop. Nobody's asking you to give up and stop buying US products if you feel so inclined. Maybe you could make it into more of personal endeavor as opposed to a highly publicized crusade. Oh, and stop being such a bunch of righteous preachy cunts while you're at it... -1 for this asshole. Nothing wrong with seeking out American made climbing gear. rcguy put it well. It's not like foreign made means lower quality. |  FLAG |
By jeff vineyard From golden, co Jul 28, 2012
| Boissal wrote: Selective righteousness is the best kind. I hope you red-blooded hypocrites feel all warm and fuzzy when you pick up a US-made product. As Austin so correctly pointed out though, it's too bad you drove your Lesbaru fueled by foreign oil to get to the store then smugly tweeted about it on your Taiwan made laptop. Nobody's asking you to give up and stop buying US products if you feel so inclined. Maybe you could make it into more of personal endeavor as opposed to a highly publicized crusade. Oh, and stop being such a bunch of righteous preachy cunts while you're at it... Spoken like a true D-bag. I totally +1 with RC guy. Being from UT must f up your brain chemistry. |  FLAG |
By APBT1976 From Never never land... Jul 28, 2012
| Boissal wrote: Selective righteousness is the best kind. I hope you red-blooded hypocrites feel all warm and fuzzy when you pick up a US-made product. As Austin so correctly pointed out though, it's too bad you drove your Lesbaru fueled by foreign oil to get to the store then smugly tweeted about it on your Taiwan made laptop. Nobody's asking you to give up and stop buying US products if you feel so inclined. Maybe you could make it into more of personal endeavor as opposed to a highly publicized crusade. Oh, and stop being such a bunch of righteous preachy cunts while you're at it... Lol Who's preachy ;) |  FLAG |
By Boissal From Small Lake, UT Jul 28, 2012
| jeff vineyard wrote: Being from UT must f up your brain chemistry. Cute, albeit lacking originality. I hear huffing chalk causes lung damage, you should be concerned about your tickmarks habit. What, you're not really from CO? I'm not from UT either brah... Again, there's nothing wrong with seeking the banner on shipping boxes. Getting all high and mighty about it though, that's more questionable. But hey, opinions right? APBT, you're right, should have added a please in there. |  FLAG |
By jeff vineyard From golden, co Jul 28, 2012
| huffing chalk, damn i never thought that might be why i cough so damn much. No, i'm originally from redneck hell and no one from KS is known for originality much less I.Q. Living in UT can't be all bad. My buddy has three wives and twelve children, wait wtf am i saying that would suck! Buy American! Buy Local! Do I sound like a redneck yet? |  FLAG |
By SilverSnurfer Jul 28, 2012
| Flex wrote: Wired Bliss cams are made in AZ & CO. Some BD products are still made in SLC, not sure which ones but I'm sure they would tell you if you asked. Ice screws, ascenders, yo hammers, nut tools, peckers, spectres and various other pins, some crampons, Ascension climbing skins..there's probably more but I can't remember. In Utah: Rock Exotica (or they used to anyway) VoileUSA BC ski gear. |  FLAG |
By nbrown From western NC Jul 28, 2012
| +1 for Misty! They've been in business for quite a long time, and for good reason. |  FLAG |
By Eric Coffman Jul 28, 2012
| Austin Baird if you have read my posts on "BD products made in china???" on pages 10,11 you would see more of my opinion. Part of the problem is we have standards in the United States on employment and environmental regulation that companies use as excuses for offshoring or outsourcing thier manufacturing operations to companies that they can exploit both thier labor pool and lack of environmental regulation. I dont want a race to the bottom, I want the companies to emulate our employment policies and environmental regulations if they want to bring those products back here to make a profit. If they paid their workers fairly as well as adhered to environmental policies that would preserve our planet for future generations I wouldnt have as much problem with their business model. I will respond further but right now I'm going climbing. Peace Eric |  FLAG |
By s.price From PS,CO Jul 28, 2012
| Voormi is doing some cool things and their office is next door to one of my favorite bars. |  FLAG |
By Jake Jones From The Eastern Flatlands Jul 28, 2012
| Sooo, what are these awesome American standards you speak of? Our cities are filled with smog. Our rivers are filled with industrial pollution. Large corporations don't pay the backbone laborers of their manufacturing lines shit. The only difference between working below the poverty line in a foreign country and doing it here, is that here, a labor union is likely to be making money as well. |  FLAG |
By Jason N. From Grand Junction Jul 28, 2012
| Jake Jones wrote: Sooo, what are these awesome American standards you speak of? Our cities are filled with smog. Our rivers are filled with industrial pollution. Large corporations don't pay the backbone laborers of their manufacturing lines shit. The only difference between working below the poverty line in a foreign country and doing it here, is that here, a labor union is likely to be making money as well. Yeah, maybe in other sectors but you honestly think the small climbing companies here in the USA fit that description? I'd be pretty shocked if that was the case. I agree with the idea Eric is alluding to, basically using our power as consumers to make it more profitable to be a responsible company. Sure, it may not be possible to do it perfectly but its a step in the right direction. |  FLAG |
By Jake Jones From The Eastern Flatlands Jul 28, 2012
| Jason N. wrote: Yeah, maybe in other sectors but you honestly think the small climbing companies here in the USA fit that description? No, I don't. I'm simply saying that just because it's "American made" doesn't mean that the environment wasn't shit on and people weren't fucked over in the process. That was part of the argument for buying American, and I don't buy it. If the argument is: Hey, buy American because you can find quality products that are just as good, and you keep the proceeds within our borders and beef up our GDP, then yeah, that would be valid. Supporting our altruistic environmental practices and humanitarianism that's so much better than the rest of the world... not so much. |  FLAG |
By Killing In The Name Of Jul 28, 2012
| Damn, Jake, you just made sense. Now you are officially kicked off of Mountainproject forever... Ellenor Stone was made up in America. I know a lot of Americans I'd like to put on a slow boat to China, for that matter. This thread lacks lead in its dick. |  FLAG |
By Buff Johnson Jul 28, 2012
| Pidgi is USA, quality shit & no fuck over ratio |  FLAG |
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