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By Jake Jones
From Richmond, VA
Jul 26, 2012
Me and the offspring walking back to the car after...
Nick Stayner wrote:
Anyone know what the "mandatory sobriety checkpoints" entail?


2 things come to mind. Cops, and fascism.

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By Jeremy Hand
Jul 26, 2012
slopey
I'm pretty sure recording an officer in Illinois is a felony

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By Jeremy Hand
Jul 26, 2012
slopey
Jake Jones wrote:
2 things come to mind. Cops, and fascism.



During the 'Red Scare' Americans were disgusted with the U.S.S.R checkpoints. Oh, the irony!

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By Adam Stackhouse
Administrator
Jul 26, 2012
Courtright Reservoir, September 2013
Most people simply talk too much during an encounter with police. Be polite, stick to your point of not consenting to BS searches. In the event they violate your rights anyway, and do find something, shrug it off. In many cases, a dope charge will be thrown out when it's evident to the court that it was an illegal search, void of any ôspecific and articulable facts" when the search was conducted. Furthermore, file a written complaint to the agency and its parent agency.

Noteworthy, most of the funding for these checkpoints comes from grants from the state Office of Traffic Safety and the National Highway Safety Administration and increasingly from your Department of Homeland Security.

I could go on and on about this subject....

Anyway, standing up for our rights takes some courage. The use of bullying, coercion or other questionable tactics by some LEOs is definitely a hard thing to manage. But capitulation can only lead to the further erosion of our rights as citizens of the United States of America and eventually put all of us in a regretful position of realizing we allowed this to happen to our society in the first place.

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By Jeremy Hand
Jul 26, 2012
slopey
Adam Stackhouse wrote:
Most people simply talk too much during an encounter with police. Be polite, stick to your point of not consenting to BS searches. In the event they violate your rights anyway, and do find something, shrug it off. In many cases, a dope charge will be thrown out when it's evident to the court that it was an illegal search, void of any ôspecific and articulable facts" when the search was conducted. Furthermore, file a written complaint to the agency and its parent agency. Noteworthy, most of the funding for these checkpoints comes from grants from the state Office of Traffic Safety and the National Highway Safety Administration and increasingly from your Department of Homeland Security. I could go on and on about this subject.... Anyway, standing up for our rights takes some courage. The use of bullying, coercion or other questionable tactics by some LEOs is definitely a hard thing to manage. But capitulation can only lead to the further erosion of our rights as citizens of the United States of America and eventually put all of us in a regretful position of realizing we allowed this to happen to our society in the first place.



+1

We've already passed the point of no return I thinks.

Oh well, lets climb rockz

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By Adam Stackhouse
Administrator
Jul 26, 2012
Courtright Reservoir, September 2013
For what it's worth;

ghsa.org/html/stateinfo/laws/c...


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By pooler
From Albany, NY
Jul 26, 2012
So here is my shitty cop story:

It was a Saturday morning and it was raining. I was on my way to get some breakfast. on my way I rolled through a cross walk ( no light or intersection, just in the middle of the street at a common crossing area) as I did this I saw someone on the opposite side of the street STEP into the crosswalk a full 10 feet away from my car ( this person was no where near my car)upon rolling through the cross walk at mild speed as I was approching a stop light a cop came right up on my ass and pulled me over. He came to the car window and said the usual. He then asked if I had been drinking. I answerd honistly and said yes the night befor a full 15 hours prior. He then asked me to step out of the car a wait for another cop to come ( mind you it is raining) I had no jacket or umbrella ( I was planning to go to a drive through and would not need a rain coat, however the cops did) When the other cop showed up he gave me the feild test and I passed. Then and only then did they give me the breathalizer which I also passed. After 30 min. in the poring rain they decided I must be on something and wanted to search the car. I said no. Then they looked into my small hatchback and saw all of my outdoor gear ( I was living between two apartments and it was jus easier to carry all my gear with me all the time) Tehy tought surly i must have something. They got all my gear soked and found nothing because guess what having tons of shit in your car MUST be reasonable cause. All said and done I was outside in the rain for more than an hour and got a ticket for failure to yeild to a pedestrian in a cross walk ( which I don't even feel I did ) and payed a $100 ticket. Bottom line cops do what they want and it sucks.

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By Jake Jones
From Richmond, VA
Jul 26, 2012
Me and the offspring walking back to the car after...
I can't believe they made all your gear get soked in the poring rain even after you answerd honistly. Surly that's illegal.

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By pooler
From Albany, NY
Jul 26, 2012
Nope asked the judge, he said if they have probable cause( which I still don't know how they got that) My property is not their responsibility. On the bright side it gave me an excuse to tell the wife i need some new gear. Not all of it but some. The real problem is the police of the police don't do a whole lot of policing.

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By Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
Jul 26, 2012
Bocan
Honestly the only time cops are great is when there is an emergency (ie the Aurora shooting). The rest of the time they pass the time by harrassing the citizens they should be protecting.

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By Jeremy Hand
Jul 26, 2012
slopey
Dam dood, it sucks that they aloud all your geer to get soked.

Jake, plees fallow rul one.

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By Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
Jul 26, 2012
Bocan
Jeremy Hand wrote:
Dam dood, it sucks that they aloud all your geer to get soked. Jake, plees fallow rul one.


hahaha!!! Both you guy's subtleties are hilarious!!

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By Jake Jones
From Richmond, VA
Jul 26, 2012
Me and the offspring walking back to the car after...
Jeremy Hand wrote:
Dam dood, it sucks that they aloud all your geer to get soked. Jake, plees fallow rul one.


Yur rite. Sory. :(

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By kovacs69
From Dallas, TX
Jul 26, 2012
Here you go...this is what you do.

now.msn.com/watch-a-man-of-the...

JB

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By TBlom
Jul 26, 2012
Not just in uptight Utah...

denverpost.com/opinion/ci_2089...

Beware the evil monkeys!

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By Jeremy Hand
Jul 26, 2012
slopey
DAMN! I thought it was bad in the SE. Remind me not to travel through NV when I'm out west.

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By Jeremy Hand
Jul 26, 2012
slopey
Why'd that guy delete his post?

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By Morgan Patterson
Administrator
Jul 26, 2012
Topo - Cliffs in Green
Sounds like these checkpoints are out of control out West. I can't even recall the last time I saw one... though I know they do do them and they have to publish them in the paper when they are going to ahead of time.

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By Finn the Human
From The Land of Ooo
Jul 26, 2012
Mathematical!
kBobby wrote:
That is why our civil liberties are slowly eroding.


Eric Coffman wrote:
I agree with KBobby I have read your posts a number of times Taylor Ogden and you seem to be on top of your game but if people like you dont stand up for your rights who will?


It's not that I'm unwilling to stand up for my rights. If I felt like my rights were being violated, you bet I would make fuss over it. However, in general, I'd try not to let a cop pulling me over ruin my day. I'd try to be polite, courteous, and do whatever I could in order to get on my way as soon as possible.

If a cop politely asked me if he could look in my car, I'd probably shrug my shoulders and say, "Sure whatever. You're only going to find old Wendy's wrappers and an ugly christmas sweater." Just so I could get back on the road as quickly as possible. (Although in my trunk I do have a traffic cone stamped "City of Oakland" that I "acquired" while on vacation... I wonder if I'd get in trouble for that...)

Now if the cop was being a total dick, giving me a hard time, and accusing me of things without proof, you'd better believe I'd tell him he couldn't search my car.

Anyway, to each their own. I generally try to keep a positive attitude towards police officers. Most of our country runs on the principal of "innocent until proven guilty" but it seems to me that a lot of people think "all cops are corrupt assholes until proven innocent."

Oh and someone mentioned something about DUI checks at all Utah borders? Really? How gullible are you people?

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By Price
From SLC, UT
Jul 26, 2012
Taylor Ogden wrote:
Oh and someone mentioned something about DUI checks at all Utah borders?



I hear that if you have a green plate, they're making you go through TSA style security and dismantling your car at the border. Then they hand you a phillips head and tell you good luck putting it back together. Sorry, 'rado. We'd love to share the Creek, but I guess the guvment has a different idea.

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By Mark Lewis
From Salt Lake City, Utah
Jul 26, 2012
Another DUI checkpoint was in Millcreek Canyon on July 6-7.

Just be aware that Utah law enforcement has been utilizing checkpoints more frequently than in the past up in the canyons and climbers can often be tempting targets for these guys.

Zenetopia pointed out that he was detained and searched primarily due to his 'bloodshot' eyes. Unfortunately, the legal application of 'probable cause' is generally whatever the police officer decides it is; more subjective than our climbing grades!

While you can deny them permission to search your vehicle, requiring them to obtain a permit from a judge to do so. However, in today's age of technology many of these checkpoints are utilizing Ipads and cell connections to request a digital search warrant and can be obtained within 5-minutes in many cases. Don't count on being released because it would take too long to obtain the search warrant. This tactic was used with great success earlier this year in the Holladay area around Highland Drive and approx. 6200 S.

In Utah law enforcement departments are required by law to give 24 hours advance notice of any dui checkpoints.

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By Nick Stayner
From Billings, MT
Jul 26, 2012
Nick Stayner near the crux. Ryan Minton photo.
Mark Lewis wrote:
Zenetopia pointed out that he was detained and searched primarily due to his 'bloodshot' eyes. Unfortunately, the legal application of 'probable cause' is generally whatever the police officer decides it is; more subjective than our climbing grades!


...and if you do decide to dispute it in court, it'll be your word against the cop, correct? Seems like a pretty hard win.

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By Christian "crisco" Burrell
From PG, Utah
Jul 26, 2012
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I see both sides of the argument. But it seems like the situations that get out of control are the ones where people are being difficult, innocent or not. The cops are just people trying to do their jobs that they are told to do by their superiors. In my experience, when I am polite and patient, they are more polite and easy going. Keep in mind the number of complete jerks, morons, and oh I don't know...actually guilty people they have to deal with all the time. Cops get killed in "routine" traffic stops, so can you really blame them for being a little extra careful/on edge when they are working? For every jerk cop out there, there are 99 more just trying to do their job and get home and the end of the day and even trying to keep the rest of us safe.
If you REALLY have a problem with this, maybe try actually taking the problem to the higher authorities who are in charge. Instead of taking it out on the guy in front of you, maybe just ask politely where and when DUI notifications are posted and who you can send your input to? If you do it in a pleasant tone, I bet they will happily tell you what you want to know and it will all be over before you know it.

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By Nick Stayner
From Billings, MT
Jul 26, 2012
Nick Stayner near the crux. Ryan Minton photo.
You make some good points in your post, but this isn't one of them:
Christian "crisco" Burrell wrote:
Cops get killed in "routine" traffic stops, so can you really blame them for being a little extra careful/on edge when they are working?


Any way you slice or dice it, an LEO knows what he/she is getting into when they sign up for the job. Same with EMTs, firefighters, or any other job that involves putting yourself into a potentially risky situation. I think it's a little disingenuous to say that we shouldn't blame the officer if they treat someone disrespectfully.

Also- in your idealistic rhetoric about cops trying to keep the rest of us safe, remember that we're talking about a DUI checkpoint here. The cops weren't called to respond to a scene, they weren't on a routine patrol... this is a tactic that is unlawful in many states.

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By Jake Jones
From Richmond, VA
Jul 26, 2012
Me and the offspring walking back to the car after...
Christian "crisco" Burrell wrote:
For every jerk cop out there, there are 99 more just trying to do their job and get home and the end of the day and even trying to keep the rest of us safe.


Meh... how's 7 or 8? That's more realistic. I'll even give you one in ten that's an asshole. But it's waaaayyyy more than one percent. That I can guarantee you.

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