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By Rajiv Ayyangar
From Portland, ME
Dec 12, 2012
Cut! Sadly my flash attempt met with dismal pump-failure two bolts later.

Alex Washburne wrote:
I don't think the "greater than"/"less than" symbols are logically appropriate, but the correct statement uses a "subset" symbol. I'll call this "c" for lack of a better way to write math on Mountainproject, and arrive at a factual statement describing the skill sets: Bouldering c sport c trad c alpine. Provided the skill of moving crash pads and spotting friends falling from boulders is not included, then we have reached an accurate statement of fact. Now, instead of worrying about self-worth if you're not an alpline climber, you can worry about whether or not Zermelo-Fraenkel set theory is an accurate description of reality, you can worry about the countability of alpine skill sets, and after enough time you'll again worry about self-worth as you spend your free time writing mathematical nonsense on Mountainproject forums.


Nice one, Alex. I've long felt a certain parallel between bouldering envy and math envy.


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By tsuji
From Boulder, CO
Dec 12, 2012
On Peak 11,300 in the Ruth

The hippo video is the best thing I've seen all day


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By Dusty
From Fort Collins
Dec 12, 2012
just teasin' the sharks...

Alex Washburne wrote:
Now, instead of worrying about self-worth if you're not an alpline climber, you can worry about whether or not Zermelo-Fraenkel set theory is an accurate description of reality


Of course it's not, everyone knows that you need the axiom of choice! :)


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By TWK
Dec 12, 2012

This was a moderately successful troll by the OP.

Why should anyone give a rat's ass which of these separate but overlapping activities somebody else chooses to pursue? To each his own. I prefer trad, I think bouldering is juvenile, and I find alpine too uncomfortable and threatening.

But that's just me, and I really don't care who feels differently.


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By Superclimber
Dec 12, 2012

Jonhy Q wrote:
Respect my authority!!!!! Viva la Revolution!!!!

"Go with God, Brah." "La resistance lives on!"


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By Ryan Williams
Administrator
From London (sort of)
Dec 12, 2012
El Chorro

Roller blading < bouldering < sport climbing < street < trad < big wave surfing < alpinism < base jumping < big wall free solo?


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By Dale Storti
Dec 12, 2012
Son of Easy O

Alex Washburne wrote:
I don't think the "greater than"/"less than" symbols are logically appropriate, but the correct statement uses a "subset" symbol. I'll call this "c" for lack of a better way to write math on Mountainproject, and arrive at a factual statement describing the skill sets: Bouldering c sport c trad c alpine. Provided the skill of moving crash pads and spotting friends falling from boulders is not included, then we have reached an accurate statement of fact. Now, instead of worrying about self-worth if you're not an alpline climber, you can worry about whether or not Zermelo-Fraenkel set theory is an accurate description of reality, you can worry about the countability of alpine skill sets, and after enough time you'll again worry about self-worth as you spend your free time writing mathematical nonsense on Mountainproject forums.



Spot-fucking-on


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By brianjames
From Appleton, WI
Dec 12, 2012
Working on a boulder problem in yosemite, can't remember the name of the problem

DannyUncanny wrote:
Don't forget that the ultimate goal of every climber is the top of mount Everest. Everyone that doesn't get there is a failure.

More has to do with having a ridiculous amount money for the permit/gear/plane etc.


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By Dave Bn
From Fort Collins, CO
Dec 12, 2012
Dreamweaver

Ben Brotelho wrote:
Yeah...street skating is way superior to vert skating.


Unless your a vert skater, than all the street skaters are just a bunch of dirt bag thugs...

Just kidding, I skated ramp cuz I didn't like road rash.


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By Lee Smith
Dec 12, 2012
You can love your rope but you can't "LOVE" your rope! <br />(Back by Popular Demand.  There you are Mom) <br /> <br />

The MP hierarchy: Poser > Spraymaster > Gumby > nOOb > Troll


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By Tits McGee
From Boulder, CO
Dec 12, 2012
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Lee Smith wrote:
The MP hierarchy: Poser > Spraymaster > Gumby > nOOb > Troll


Lee you are a Level 20 Spraymaster, formerly a level 1 Thread Slayer.

Alpine climbing is both the summation and culmination of all climbing disciplines. In the Alpine, you may make hard boulder moves like a pebble wrassler, clip bolts (or pins) like a sporto, climb snow and ice, and place gear like a trad climber and then hang on said gear like an aid climber...AND they do it with a 40 lb pack. So if anyone has the right to demean or spray - it would be an alpinist.

So the next time you are pullin' that V-Don't Care or that hard 12++ sport move, remember there's some one else out there can do it at altitude with a pack on.


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By Buff Johnson
Dec 12, 2012
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Dude can still slay


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By bearbreeder
Dec 12, 2012

Tits McGee wrote:
So the next time you are pullin' that V-Don't Care or that hard 12++ sport move, remember there's some one else out there can do it at altitude with a pack on.


ahhh ... but can YOU pull that 12++ move at altitude ... chances are that degenerating alpinist is bragging about how hardcore his 5.6 route is to that sport weenie ;)


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By Tits McGee
From Boulder, CO
Dec 12, 2012
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bearbreeder wrote:
ahhh ... but can YOU pull that 12++ move at altitude ...


No, I don't even think I can pull 5.6 at altitude, but I spray at a 5.12 level.


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By Cale Hoopes
From Sammamish, WA
Dec 12, 2012
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Ice Climbing improves my gym top roping.

By the way, did you just lump ice climbing into Alpine?!?!

WTF


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By Tits McGee
From Boulder, CO
Dec 12, 2012
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Cale Hoopes wrote:
did you just lump ice climbing into Alpine?!?! WTF


Yes, yes I did. As it is part of the alpine equation. Man, touchy crowd here at MP. Didn't mean to offend the single pitch ice purists out there!


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By Brendan Blanchard
From Strafford, NH
Dec 12, 2012
Obi Wan Ryobi - Darth Vader Crag, Rumney NH

So let me get this straight.

Bouldering is ego stroking, and essentially masturbation; sport climbing doesn't start until 5.12; real climbing doesn't really start until you place your own gear, it's petty unless it's on a mountain,and in the end, none of it really matters?


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By Ryan Williams
Administrator
From London (sort of)
Dec 12, 2012
El Chorro

What about Ice bouldering? Or DRYTOOL bouldering!

Something tells me that there are people out there who have already tried this :-/


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By Matt N
From Santa Barbara, CA
Dec 12, 2012
OTL

Brendan Blanchard wrote:
So let me get this straight... and in the end, none of it really matters?



YES!

I still am not sure if climbing is more pointless than surfing. Time to start a new trainwreck thread.


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By Ben Brotelho
From Albany, NY
Dec 13, 2012
Epic free solo with a pack on

"it takes way less discipline to be an a relatively out of shape trad that does an occasional weekend 5.10 than it is to climb 5.12 sport."

Discipline isn't something that only applies to the physical aspect of life, or even climbing...maybe those "fat trad dads" have kids, believe it or not, and discipline themselves to stay at home and hang with the wife/kids for a bit? Is that less laudable than a sport climber who can go out and climb 5.12 any time of the day? I would have to say...no.

This is the dumbest thread ever...almost as dumb as the "why toproping" one. The answer to both questions is: "it's fun."


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By Buff Johnson
Dec 13, 2012
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just remember, sport climbing is neither


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By Cale Hoopes
From Sammamish, WA
Dec 13, 2012
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Mr. McGee, no disrespect meant :-) In the nature of this ridiculous thread, I thought a little spray from the single pitch, top roping, ice park crowd would be in order...

Also, I don't disagree about that... touchy crowd for sure...

Remember, I can belay 5.12. So fricken back off!


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By Buff Johnson
Dec 13, 2012
smiley face

Tits McGee wrote:
... the single pitch ice purists out there!


if that isn't the truth now


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By Tits McGee
From Boulder, CO
Dec 13, 2012
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Cale Hoopes wrote:
Mr. McGee, no disrespect meant :-)



Cale - this is mountain project, Rule #2 is disrespect everyone...

Hey Chuff - Alpinism isn't a different sport - it's the Big Leagues. Instead of a sporto's protein shakes and hippie bars for a lean diet, Alpine Climbers get stomach bugs and loss of appetite due to altitude to stay lean on those hard 12 moves!

But who ever said in the end it doesn't matter is more right than they will ever know...Because when I am crushing 5.4+ trad, I am least concerned with the sport climbers in Boulder Canyon climbing things I can't even walk up to do...


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By Tits McGee
From Boulder, CO
Dec 13, 2012
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chufftard wrote:
right. that's why ondra and sharma aren't real climbers until they place gear and freeze their tits off.


What I have learned is there is no right answer to this. I dislike the OTC (off the couch) Trad guys that spew ethical non-sense, but the "practice climbers" (boulderers) with their pad posse and portable music bother me just as much. Alpine climbing appeals to me because I go out in the middle of no where, as far away as I can get from every (stereo) type of climber and just enjoy the experience. So climb in the style that appeals to you and enjoy it...So what if there is some guy on the internet with a fake name like "Tits" mocking you. If that bothers you then you are climbing for all the wrong reasons.


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