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Jul 16, 2013
Espresso @ New Jack City
FYI FOR ANYONE HEADING TO TAHQUITZ/SUICIDE THIS WEEKEND:

Mountain Fire near Idyllwild currently has the 243 closed from the 74 up to Astrocamp. Check for updates and possible change of plans for this weekend.

inciweb.org/incident/3516/ inciweb.org/incident/3516/]]ht...
T.J. Esposito
From San Diego, CA
Joined May 3, 2011
161 points
Jul 17, 2013
Google Map of that particular incident...


GeoMAC KLM Map of the Fire Data in Google Earth
GeoMAC KLM Map of the Fire Data in Google Earth
Su Ling H
Joined Dec 2, 2011
35 points
Jul 17, 2013
Big Boulder, just a bit downhill from Temple of Ka...
Everyone needs to cross fingers and pray.....

If this gets into the tinder box that is the forrest above Humber park its all over....
Guy Keesee
From Moorpark, CA
Joined Mar 1, 2008
212 points
Jul 17, 2013
Anyone know how close the fire is to the town? Farzin
From San Diego, CA
Joined May 25, 2009
0 points
Jul 17, 2013
Updates here...

idyllwildtowncrier.com/
jard
From Los Angeles
Joined Jan 9, 2012
1 points
Jul 17, 2013
Climbing at Cathedral Rock.
jard wrote:
Updates here... idyllwildtowncrier.com/


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Ron Thompson a active climber since 1974 died on July 10, 2013. Ron put up first ascents in Sedona and many routes with his twin brother Don . Ron lived in Idlewild, CA and wrote articles for Mountain Project on his routes. RIP Ron.

Dr. Don Thompson posted in Mountain Project 7/17/2013.
Ron Thompson
From Idlewild, CA
Joined Dec 13, 2009
146 points
Jul 17, 2013
Updated Image.
Redline indicates the fire boundary at the time stamped on the image.

Mountain Fire: GeoMACKML using Google Earth from 0...
Mountain Fire: GeoMACKML using Google Earth
from 07.17.2013
Su Ling H
Joined Dec 2, 2011
35 points
Jul 18, 2013
Updated ~9pm:

"Immediate Update and Clarification - The Riverside County Sheriff in cooperation with Idyllwild Fire Protection District has issued an evacuation notice for the Idyllwild and Fern Valley area. This does not include Pine Cove, Mountain Center, and Poppet Flats.

This Evacuation notice also includes the San Jacinto State Park Wilderness, Forest Service Wilderness and Forest Service Campgrounds.

Please read evacuation notice under the "Closures" tab.

Immediate Update - The Trails End Community at the very top of Morris Ranch Road is under an immediate Evacuation Notice!"

Hoping for the best, for Tahquitz and the entire area.
Brad W
From San Diego
Joined Apr 16, 2009
87 points
Jul 18, 2013
kmir6.com/news/toprotator/ALL-...

"July 17, 2013 6:00 P.M.

Latest Fire Facts: 19,400 acres
15% containment
2,985 personnel including 51 crews, 228 engines, 15 dozers and 17 helicopters
23 structures have been destroyed by fire including 7 residences during the first day of the fire.
Total cost to date is 4.5 Million dollars
The latest fire information can be found on the Inciweb

Rapid movement of the Mountain Fire today toward Trails End in the south and Tahquitz Peak in the north prompted the Mountain Area Safety Taskforce (MAST) to order an evacuation of Trails End, Idyllwild, and Fern Valley communities."

Updated Image.
Redline indicates the fire boundary at the time stamped on the image.


updated GeoMAC KLM
updated GeoMAC KLM
Su Ling H
Joined Dec 2, 2011
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Jul 18, 2013
Espresso @ New Jack City
Tahquitz in front of the fire:
T.J. Esposito
From San Diego, CA
Joined May 3, 2011
161 points
Jul 18, 2013
Amazing photo...heartbreaking as well.

inciweb.org/incident/3516/

for those wanting up to date info...
Su Ling H
Joined Dec 2, 2011
35 points
Jul 18, 2013
I almost feel bad asking the question I'm about to ask, because everyone's primary concern should be the people and the town, so let's take it as a given that I mostly hope that the town, residents' homes, and the local folks are all okay.

That being said, what kind of damage can fire to do the rock/routes? I'm not asking this question rhetorically; I honestly don't know, but would like to learn more. Intuitively, it seems like the rock would be fine, but perhaps high heat from forest fire can damage rock/routes more than I might expect.
Chris Bersbach
From Arroyo Grande, CA
Joined Sep 27, 2007
139 points
Jul 18, 2013
me in Africa
Tahquitz Rock and Suicide Rock are home to some great alpine climbs where trees are prominent features. The first pitch of Fingertip Traverse has you climb a tree to gain an arete. Flower of High Rank wouldn't be the same without the tree in the middle, and a lot of belays stations use trees, but usually they are growing out of cracks.

The fire could fatigue metal hangers and anchors, but that is probably unlikely in most situations. I'm pretty sure only flaky, garbage rock would be effected by smoke and heat, if at all.
Todd Cook
From Hawthorne, CA
Joined Nov 26, 2011
235 points
Jul 19, 2013
Big Boulder, just a bit downhill from Temple of Ka...
, what kind of damage can fire to do the rock/routes?

In the South Sierra.... there was a place to climb at named K&L wonderbluff and anothe one named Elephant Rock.

They HAD pretty good rockclimbing, intill the McNalley Fire in 04.

The fire burned the thick brush and trees at the base of these climbs and was so hot the stone itself was destroyed for climbing. It is now some very soft decomposing granite. ....

I don't think this could happen at Tahquitz/Suicide because the trrain is very different.

But it would be a shame if all the giant trees, dead trees and oak trees get incenerated.

I think that the fire supression "work" done for the last 50 years is going to bite Idyllwild in the ass.

I hope and pray that this fire stops burning NOW... a monsoon rain right now would be the best thing ever.
Guy Keesee
From Moorpark, CA
Joined Mar 1, 2008
212 points
Jul 19, 2013
Thanks for the info Todd and Guy. I hadn't even thought of the trees on-route, as obvious as that seems. Interesting to know how much the heat from a fire *could* potentially affect certain kinds of rock, as well. Hoping for the best for the folks who live there, the town, and the rock. Chris Bersbach
From Arroyo Grande, CA
Joined Sep 27, 2007
139 points
Jul 19, 2013
me in Africa
Oops, I am corrected:

"The McNally fire, which burned more than 150,000 acres in the surrounding area burned up and over Elephant Knob. Trees and rappel slings more than 100 feet off the ground were burned. The intense heat of the fire did significant damage to the rock itself. A 1/4 to 1/2" thick skin of granite exfoliated from much of the dome and clung perilously to the walls. As of 2004, much of this "skin" had still not fallen off and posed a serious threat to prospective climbers. An exploritory trip up "Elephantiasis" produced substantial rockfall, with much material still waiting to come down."

mountainproject.com/v/elephant...

Have a look. Zeesh!
Todd Cook
From Hawthorne, CA
Joined Nov 26, 2011
235 points
Jul 22, 2013
Big Boulder, just a bit downhill from Temple of Ka...
It rained!!!!!!

Just in the nick of time.
Guy Keesee
From Moorpark, CA
Joined Mar 1, 2008
212 points
Jul 22, 2013
Great, great news. 68% contained, as of this morning, and they've been able to keep the fire away from the town and the rock. It looks like my partner and I can look forward to another season trip down to Idyllwild next year.

Continued updates: inciweb.org/incident/3516/
Chris Bersbach
From Arroyo Grande, CA
Joined Sep 27, 2007
139 points
Jul 22, 2013
Wonderful news for these mountain communities and an amazing and historical climbing area! Bacchus
From Newport Beach, Ca
Joined Jan 27, 2006
0 points
Jul 24, 2013
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Any news on the area? Will it be open this weekend? I saw that the fire will be 100% contained by Friday (new estimate); not sure what that means as far as access.

As far as I can tell, (internet) information suggests the area is open, but I wasn't sure if anyone had more information.
Nelson Day
From Joshua Tree, CA
Joined Nov 13, 2010
1,310 points
Jul 24, 2013
Both rocks are closed to all access for at least 3 weeks, according to the forest service, as of today. The fine for trespassing is $5000.

Hopefully things will change and access will be allowed. Until then, I would not recommend trying to climb.
Ryan Strickland
From Idyllwild, CA
Joined Oct 30, 2010
120 points
Jul 31, 2013
Any updates on the closure up there? Mike Watson
Joined Dec 22, 2011
12 points
Aug 2, 2013
Tahquitz/Suicide;...open or closed....?? toddgordon
From Joshua Tree, California
Joined Nov 26, 2006
10,174 points
Aug 2, 2013
Heard on the local NPR station last night that the Idyllwild stuff was reopened (no idea if that includes the Tahq/Suicide/Fern valley areas, it was regular news so not that specific), and that SanJac Park is opening today.

Don't take this as gospel, verify first so you don't waste a trip. But tentatively sounds like it's good to go.
Will S
From Joshua Tree
Joined Nov 15, 2006
1,275 points
Aug 2, 2013
Closure Order fs.usda.gov/detail/sbnf/home/?... The map of the closure is "Exhibit A" at the bottom. smassey
From CO
Joined Dec 2, 2008
345 points
Aug 2, 2013
Just talked to forest dept.....Tahquitz trail closed...suicide open from deer springs (3.5 mile approach)......so that's the latest as of this AM from the horse's mouth.. toddgordon
From Joshua Tree, California
Joined Nov 26, 2006
10,174 points


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