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By AndrewJ.
Jan 11, 2014

Don't listen to those people they don't know what they are talking about. I went to a store and bought some stuff. It was a great experience.I went to the green solution off of grape street on the first of the year and only waited about an hour and a half. the weed selection was close to 30 different kinds, not to mention all the pre rolled stuff and edibles. I got a little more than a quarter for 115 bucks. the potency on their best weed was 22% which definitely is pretty good. It's called grape stomper. The other two kinds I got were 20% and 18%. I guess you just got to go to the right store


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By AndrewJ.
Jan 11, 2014

But of course it's still cheaper on the street


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By AndrewJ.
Jan 11, 2014

But of course it's still cheaper on the street


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By Locker
From Yucca Valley, CA
Jan 11, 2014
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Grow it. Even cheaper!


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By Old and Busted
From Centennial, CO
Jan 11, 2014
Stabby

Locker wrote:
Grow it. Even cheaper!

And legal now. Plus, you can stay out of the databases.
Does anyone know if they are taking your information down when buying, or just checking your i.d.?


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By Doug Pederson SpectateSwamp
Jan 11, 2014
In 1993 I ran for election in the YellowHead riding. I painted my head yellow. see "yellowhead speaks 1993" for the youtube video

The greatest plant on the planet is legal.

Thanks to everybody on our side from the black market growers and sellers to the kids selling in the school yard. Some paid a heavy price but it was necessary to win against such odds. All governments of the World along with mass media and education system propaganda backed up by their mercenary police forces. No greater victory can ever be won


Sacred ToKin stone and friends.
Sacred ToKin stone and friends.


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By JCM
From Seattle, WA
Jan 11, 2014

Old and Busted wrote:
Plus, you can stay out of the databases. Does anyone know if they are taking your information down when buying, or just checking your i.d.?


They only check your ID, to confirm residency and age. It was specifically included in the initiative/legislation that the govt cannot require the stores to enter customers into any big-brother database. So, nothing to fear on that front. Also, since they are essentially cash-only businesses, there isn't any record of your identity in the financial transaction either.


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By Old and Busted
From Centennial, CO
Jan 11, 2014
Stabby

Giant Cheese-Dick


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By Locker
From Yucca Valley, CA
Jan 12, 2014
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What a fucking douchebag!



"Hickenlooper opposed Amendment 64, which legalized recreational marijuana in the state. Now that its on the books, Hickenlooper said hes committed to regulating it more strenuously than alcohol.


We are going to regulate the living daylights out of it, he said."


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By chills
From Boulder, Colorado
Jan 12, 2014

www.collective-evolution.com/2013/08/23/20-medical-studies-t>>>


To any one who might be on the fence about cannabis as a cure for cancer here is a link to 20 international studies conducted on the topic.
2 of which where done by the Harvard medical schools experimental treatment program

I personally receive wonderful pain reduction and have noticed anti inflammatory properties with various methods of ingestion for my right knee that has had three major reconstructions as well is missing 50 percent of my miniscus
All I will say on the subject but I urge you to take a look the results


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By Old and Busted
From Centennial, CO
Jan 12, 2014
Stabby

Locker wrote:
What a fucking douchebag! "Hickenlooper opposed Amendment 64, which legalized recreational marijuana in the state. Now that its on the books, Hickenlooper said hes committed to regulating it more strenuously than alcohol. We are going to regulate the living daylights out of it, he said."

That's why I'm a Libertarian. I'm sure the GOP will put forth a Statist who will work to subvert the will of 55% of the voters too. Add in the states around us complaining to the Feds and there will be a 10th Amendment showdown. If you want a guy to really represent us, lets get the Mayor of Glendale to run for Governor.


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By Dylan B.
Jan 12, 2014
Orgasm Direct, Devil's Lake, 5.11a  c. 2008

Old and Busted wrote:
That's why I'm a Libertarian. I'm sure the GOP will put forth a Statist who will work to subvert the will of 55% of the voters too. Add in the states around us complaining to the Feds and there will be a 10th Amendment showdown. If you want a guy to really represent us, lets get the Mayor of Glendale to run for Governor.


Except that this politician may represent the majority view in his jurisdiction where he's working to restrict cannabis use. If the majority of the locals don't want it, why shouldn't they restrict it? This guy isn't restricting the next county over from selling, just businesses in his own county. Arguably, he has the support of the majority of his constituents. If he does not, then they'll vote him out next time around.


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By Old and Busted
From Centennial, CO
Jan 12, 2014
Stabby

D.Buffum wrote:
Except that this politician may represent the majority view in his jurisdiction where he's working to restrict cannabis use. If the majority of the locals don't want it, why shouldn't they restrict it? This guy isn't restricting the next county over from selling, just businesses in his own county. Arguably, he has the support of the majority of his constituents. If he does not, then they'll vote him out next time around.

This politician is the Governor, his constituents are the entire state. And we voted for this at 55%, which was more votes than Obama got. Plus, he made millions selling booze. What a frikkin hypocrite. He will work to subvert this if reelected, as will whover the R's come up with. Want it to survive, vote for either Matt Hess or Mike Dunafon.


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By Dylan B.
Jan 12, 2014
Orgasm Direct, Devil's Lake, 5.11a  c. 2008

Old and Busted wrote:
This politician is the Governor, his constituents are the entire state. And we voted for this at 55%, which was more votes than Obama got. Plus, he made millions selling booze. What a frikkin hypocrite. He will work to subvert this if reelected, as will whover the R's come up with. Want it to survive, vote for either Matt Hess or Mike Dunafon.


Whoops. I should read more carefully. I had the idea he was just the mayor of Durango. Mea culpa.


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By Ronin
From Smoke Hole Canyon
Jan 13, 2014
Almost Heaven nothing... this IS Heaven.  Climbing parallel to my young friend Andreas on a perfect fall day.

Buffman-

NIH? Uh-huh.

Those would be the same people that still say it is addictive and narcotic. Probably makes darkies think they as good as white folks, and turns children into heroin addicts by age 6 or so, through second-hand smoke.

Okay, now that I understand your sources, I understand your ignorance, no matter how fabulous your vocabulary. I have three decades of personal experience, including five years now of watching the transformation it has brought to the life of my wife, an MS patient who now controls her symptoms with about an ounce of cannabis per month, who once used $3,000/month of "medicines" that did nothing but leave her a pasty detached zombie with nerve spasms, cramps, disorientation, and seizures. Given that experience and others, all available online, I generally don't waste much time trying to teach pigs to sing.

Cheers.

BTW, for those interested more in info than measuring penises or impressing us with vocabulary, you can bake this in cookies, extract the oils in a number of ways, and rub it on as a topical application. I never said the smoke wasn't toxic, just the plant itself and its elements.

Now if you'll excuse me, the sun is shining, and I have some climbing to do before the stupid in here goes viral...


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By Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
Jan 13, 2014
Bocan

Business as usual...it only has changed for the out-of-staters that come here to buy weed.


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By Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
Jan 13, 2014
Bocan

Old and Busted wrote:
This politician is the Governor, his constituents are the entire state. And we voted for this at 55%, which was more votes than Obama got. Plus, he made millions selling booze. What a frikkin hypocrite. He will work to subvert this if reelected, as will whover the R's come up with. Want it to survive, vote for either Matt Hess or Mike Dunafon.


And I believe he made his money from the oil industry no? I've always liked him, but if going against what his constituents want along with the general hypocrisy of his statements...well I won't be voting for him again.


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By germsauce
Jan 13, 2014
Hippos kill people

Ian Stewart,

In fact the indoor stuff often needs more pesticides, because it's under unique stresses that the plants are not adapted to (fake lights etc). random testing finds 35% of samples contain pesticides, which if ingested by eating an apple your body can metabolize, but if those same chemicals are smoked- they have no chance to be filtered by your body. If people are considering this medicine and are already immunocompromised (as in the case of chemo patients or Chron's disease), or if people just give a shit about not smoking pesticides, they will soon have a choice for a premium product (think fair trade certified, USDA organic and the like). they will pay more, but also get piece of mind that their meds/drugs or whatever they want them to be are safe. Concentrates like bubble hash and hash, and edibles often test positive for solvents, like butane, which are legal in Colorado for processing (but not in California).

As far as sustainability- the indoor MJ growing industry (and the home growers) are responsible for 1% of all energy consumption nationwide and around 5% in states like CO and CA where it's legal. There are alternatives, but currently the average unit of cured MJ creates about 2000 times its weight in CO2 emissions. A joint is roughly 2 lbs of CO2 emissions if calculated using national grid-emissions factors.

Consumers who have been buying from basement dude for their whole lives are in for some major edumacating as this industry gets regulated and legitimized. And i say it's for the better.

Now: Would you pay 10-20% extra for a guaranteed safe/pesticide/herbicide/solvent free premium product that is grown using less energy than its competitors? (i know i'm talking to vienna sausage eating climbers who waste time on the internet so i still expect you to say no to the extra but it's something to consider!)


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By Dylan B.
Jan 13, 2014
Orgasm Direct, Devil's Lake, 5.11a  c. 2008

Ronin wrote:
Buffman- NIH? Uh-huh. Those would be the same people that still say it is addictive and narcotic. Probably makes darkies think they as good as white folks, and turns children into heroin addicts by age 6 or so, through second-hand smoke.


NIH published research is not generated by a monolithic organization with an ideological agenda related to marijuana.

You are right that if you look at the NIH informational pamphlets, they still regard marijuana as "addictive." They likewise emphasize observed bad effects of marijuana. THis spin is clearly debatable.

However, just because the researched I linked was funded or published by the NIH, does not mean that it is biased towards the public position. NIH funds and publishes research at institutions all over the globe who are independent of NIH. If you follow the link I provided above, the research was done by a University of Colorado biology professor. It was published by the NIH (and probably funded by them).

Frankly, you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss it, since it generally supports your position.

Ronin wrote:
Okay, now that I understand your sources, I understand your ignorance, no matter how fabulous your vocabulary.


Sorry the vocabulary was too difficult for you. I'll put it in simpler language: Your conclusions are not necessarily wrong. You just used bad arguments to support them.

I was not disagreeing with you that prohibition is harmful. I was not disagreeing with your conclusion that marijuana is non toxic. I was pointing out that your arguments to support those conclusions are flawed. There are lots of good arguments to end prohibition, and there is significant evidence that marijuana is non-toxic. But the arguments you relied on are disprovable both by relying on logic and on facts. I was encouraging you to support your position with more reliable arguments because that makes for better advocacy.

Ronin wrote:
I have three decades of personal experience, including five years now of watching the transformation it has brought to the life of my wife, an MS patient who now controls her symptoms with about an ounce of cannabis per month, who once used $3,000/month of "medicines" that did nothing but leave her a pasty detached zombie with nerve spasms, cramps, disorientation, and seizures.


Well, now you're making a different (and better) argument. There's a lot of merit to the argument that marijuana is a safe, non-narcotic alternative to opiate pain medications. It's one of the stronger arguments in support of legalized medical marijuana. That's not what you argued up thread.

Ronin wrote:
you can bake this in cookies, extract the oils in a number of ways, and rub it on as a topical application. I never said the smoke wasn't toxic, just the plant itself and its elements.


I assume that you are actually arguing that THC is non-toxic. Fair enough; there are ways to consume THC without the concomitant carcinogens in the smoke, and there's no known level of acute toxicity for THC.

Interestingly, if you look at the research I provided, it suggests that THC may have enough anti-carcinogenic properties to suppress or counteract the carcinogens in marijuana smoke. It actually supports a less conclusory version of your statement that "marijuana cures cancer."

(I guess I was disagreeing with your sweeping statement that marijuana cures cancer. There is evidence that THC may help, but such sweeping claims go beyond what is known for certain at this time).


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By Tom-onator
From This Galaxy
Jan 14, 2014
Tom-onator

CDOT is forced to change mile marker #420 on I-70 to #419.99 after continued theft of this sign. www.denverpost.com/news/ci_24889289/colorado-hopes-mile-419->>>


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By Doug Pederson SpectateSwamp
Jan 14, 2014
In 1993 I ran for election in the YellowHead riding. I painted my head yellow. see "yellowhead speaks 1993" for the youtube video

I'd like to see what a poll comparing "DEA and Narcs" VS "Black Market and Cartels" Who do we trust to tell us the truth.

Bust the Pot Laws.
Bust the Pot Laws.


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By Ian Stewart
Jan 14, 2014

germsauce wrote:
In fact the indoor stuff often needs more pesticides, because it's under unique stresses that the plants are not adapted to (fake lights etc).


Pesticides are used to control pests, not plant stress. If you're using pesticides to deal with nutrient deficiencies, you're doing it wrong.

germsauce wrote:
random testing finds 35% of samples contain pesticides


Whose random testing? Where did the samples come from? Are the samples exclusively indoor grown? I doubt very many home growers offered samples of their product given it's been illegal to grow anywhere in the USA until a year ago.

germsauce wrote:
the indoor MJ growing industry (and the home growers) are responsible for 1% of all energy consumption nationwide and around 5% in states like CO and CA where it's legal


Until you provide a reliable source for this, I'm going to call complete and utter bullshit. 5% of all energy usage in CO and CA, eh? I'm not saying it doesn't use a ton of electricity, because it certainly does, but I'm also not just making up facts either.

germsauce wrote:
Now: Would you pay 10-20% extra for a guaranteed safe/pesticide/herbicide/solvent free premium product that is grown using less energy than its competitors?


If the only alternative was to buy from some random guy I've never met, yes. But that's not always the case. "Basement grown" does not imply that the origins and growing methods are unknown.


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By Doug Pederson SpectateSwamp
Jan 15, 2014
In 1993 I ran for election in the YellowHead riding. I painted my head yellow. see "yellowhead speaks 1993" for the youtube video

If the only alternative was to buy from some random guy I've never met, yes. But that's not always the case. "Basement grown" does not imply that the origins and growing methods are unknown.

Not the case in the vast majority of purchases

99% of the pot I bought was from my sources.

Magic men.
Magic men.


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By jleining
Jan 15, 2014

I think it's time you stoners grow up and move on to an adult drug.


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By David Sahalie
From on the road again
Jan 15, 2014

like coffee?


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