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By The Stoned Master
Administrator
From Pennsylvania
Jan 9, 2014
Day Lily.
The world is watching you: how's it going? If you are "successful" (per ?) there is potential for other states and countries to follow. So how is it with legal marijuana? Im curious. Thank you!

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By Rockbanned
From Plattsburgh, Ny
Jan 9, 2014
Slab...
I'm sure they'd reply, but their probably burnt out of their minds and can't focus on a computer for the next couple months... heh heh heh

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By The Stoned Master
Administrator
From Pennsylvania
Jan 9, 2014
Day Lily.
anyone not smoke before but now that its legal will try it?

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By Adam Reke
From Boulder, Colorado
Jan 9, 2014
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Myself and many people like me are hard at work like we always are. I don't smoke right now, and the law won't change that. But, we have already saved thousands of dollars in law enforcement by not prosecuting our citizens for harmless acts. And, we have already raised several million dollars for a school systems from the taxes in just a week of sales.

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By The Stoned Master
Administrator
From Pennsylvania
Jan 9, 2014
Day Lily.
nice adam! thanks for sharing.

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By chuffnugget
From Bolder, CO
Jan 9, 2014
i think its great, but with a 30% tax, I'll keep getting it from homie. average price for 3.5g in Denver as of yesterday: $61. lmao

but with 5 mil in gross sale in the first week, hell yeah CO, go get that $$$!

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By germsauce
Jan 9, 2014
Hippos kill people
David- would you pay $15 extra for 1/8th to:

-know it's legal

-know what's in it (does your homie use pesticides that you then smoke? probably)

-know it's potency and cannabinoid levels?

-know it's been produced sustainably and is guaranteed toxin free?

what would that be worth to you, price wise? just curious more than anything... but i do think a lot of people will just call their guy steve and buy a baggie of whatever he says it is, rather than visit dispensary legally. It's an interesting cultural shift going on.

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By The Stoned Master
Administrator
From Pennsylvania
Jan 9, 2014
Day Lily.
Germsauce said: it's an interesting cultural shift going on.

awesome!

id pay the dispensaries going rate for sure. coming from a state where its illegal, ill gladly pay to not be committing an illegal act. the peace of mind for me would be worth it, tax me dont punish me im cool with that especially since education is getting a HUGE boost.

with that said can you legally buy from your basement dwelling local guy?

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By chuffnugget
From Bolder, CO
Jan 9, 2014
germ,

for me, no on all 4, but next time I am in CO I will gladly pay the tax to sample strains homie doesn't have.

and for my father in law with chronic pain, hell yeah, having stigma-free, carefully dosed brownie purchases available in a retail shop. awesome.

don't get me wrong, it's amazing what the fine state of CO is doing.

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By Rockbanned
From Plattsburgh, Ny
Jan 9, 2014
Slab...
Adam Reke wrote:
Myself and many people like me are hard at work like we always are. I don't smoke right now, and the law won't change that. But, we have already saved thousands of dollars in law enforcement by not prosecuting our citizens for harmless acts. And, we have already raised several million dollars for a school systems from the taxes in just a week of sales.


I think it's a great notion. The issue is they'll find something else to spend the revenue on. And politicians are going to end up being paid like lobbyist. They created the lottery in NY to pay for schools, yet the taxes keep rising for education, as well as budgets keep getting cut, and somehow the people that work for the NYS Lottery keep getting raises and they hire more and more people. It's starts as a great idea, until scumbag politicians and greedy people destroy the good of what it could have done. Fingers crossed that it does work out. It truly would be a good thing, I just see it as something else that will get tarnished...

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By Tom-onator
From This Galaxy
Jan 9, 2014
Tom-onator
The Stoned Master wrote:
... with that said can you legally buy from your basement dwelling local guy?

No.

The measure was passed statewide but each individual County votes whether sale for recreational consumption will be legal or not. My county for instance voted against the legal sale of recreational pot prolly because enough taxes are generated by the 3 million legal dispensaries that are within a quarter mile radius of my home.

+1 for the homie basement dwelling local guy

+1 for the tax revenue generating machine. Maybe now we can afford some asphalt to actually pave the streets around here instead of patching holes all the time

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By Ian Stewart
Jan 9, 2014
germsauce wrote:
would you pay $15 extra for 1/8th to: -know it's legal


It's illegal to sell without a licence, but it's not illegal to gift up to an ounce to a buddy. So, your buddy gives you a bag for free then you give him $100 for his birthday...

germsauce wrote:
-know what's in it (does your homie use pesticides that you then smoke? probably)


I'd guess the likelihood of needing pesticides for a basement grow is pretty low. (Outdoor grows would be a different story).

germsauce wrote:
-know it's potency and cannabinoid levels?


It takes about 30 seconds to figure out potency.

germsauce wrote:
-know it's been produced sustainably and is guaranteed toxin free?


What does "sustainably" mean, and why would you assume any legal weed was produced in this manner? As for "toxin free", it's weed...it IS a toxin.


Weed isn't really that hard to grow indoors. All you need it light, soil, seeds, and water. It's as easy as any other plant, really. You probably want some ventilation so your house doesn't reek, too. 90% of the labor is harvesting, which does kinda suck though...

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By MC Poopypants
Jan 9, 2014
Dropping a deuce
Word on the streets is that the shit in the stores has to be less potent than the medical grade and they cannot exist in the same facility. That means its $60 an 1/8 for mid-grade, weak.

Many positives about this but now there's inspectors that don't smoke weed regulating the growers. Wonder how that will turn out.

@Ian, weed may be easy to grow indoors but growing chronic is not, I'd call it an art.

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By Max Supertramp
Jan 9, 2014
9 days of legal bud and I'm already blowing people in the alley for bath salt rips.




MC Poopy, your statement makes it sound as though all ganja is now produced by The Man. Not so, brah.

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By Locker
From Yucca Valley, CA
Jan 10, 2014
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If only more thought like you.


"Myself and many people like me are hard at work like we always are. I don't smoke right now, and the law won't change that. But, we have already saved thousands of dollars in law enforcement by not prosecuting our citizens for harmless acts. And, we have already raised several million dollars for a school systems from the taxes in just a week of sales"


Right on dude!






"Word on the streets is that ... they cannot exist in the same facility"

Kind of correct. They can exist at the same facility. They just have to have two different sections. One for Red Card, one for general public.




"weed may be easy to grow indoors but growing chronic is not, I'd call it an art."

I agree!

It's a weed and does grow relatively easy. But as implied in the quote above, to grow it STRONG as fuck, it takes some extra effort.




"Word on the streets is that the shit in the stores has to be less potent than the medical grade"

I've been hearing that too, and it's an interesting one.

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By Ian Stewart
Jan 10, 2014
MC Poopypants wrote:
@Ian, weed may be easy to grow indoors but growing chronic is not, I'd call it an art.


I agree with you, but I'm not talking about growing competition-quality bud here, I'm talking about competing with what is (or will be) available commercially. Most weed is not chronic. If you use a scale such as "scwhag - mids - top shelf/medical", for example, growing upper-end mids at home isn't difficult if as long as you still have a few brain cells (which, given the topic, isn't always the case).

Relatively speaking, if competing with the "average" commercially available products is the goal, I think growing pot is easier than home-brewing beer.

My main point is that growing at home isn't nearly as difficult as most people seem to think it is.

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By The Blueprint Part Dank
From FEMA Region VIII
Jan 10, 2014
Better quality
The store experience sounds weird. You go in, show an ID, then get let into a waiting room. That is, if the store isn't sold out completely. Ten you sit in a waiting room till it's your turn, go to the counter and place your order. This is all secondhand information from a buddy, so maybe it's not a Universal experience. But he said they were sold out completely on edibles and only had three strains in stock, with tax and all, he paid over $70 for 3.5 g of Sour Diesel.

Back before my current job when I was able to smoke recreationally, I lived in the end-hating SE, and never once paid more than $50.

The tax side is a whole different issue, that's going to naturally raise the rate. But the supply/demand ratio is all whacked out. Given that the growing of marijuana for retail requires a special license. Who knows how long it will take for the supply problems to work themselves out.

All and all, in the first week of legalized recreational sales, the only people winning are the stare government of CO.

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By Ronin
From Smoke Hole Canyon
Jan 10, 2014
Almost Heaven nothing... this IS Heaven.  Climbing parallel to my young friend Andreas on a perfect fall day.
Ian Stewart wrote:
As for "toxin free", it's weed...it IS a toxin.


Then why hasn't anyone died from using just cannabis (asthmatics and allergies not included, of course) in the last 5,000 years?

Why do we have receptors for not just the THC but the CBDs and CBNs in our brains?

How can it cure cancer if it is a toxin?

Research much?

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By MC Poopypants
Jan 10, 2014
Dropping a deuce
Max,

Not saying the Man is producing it but he is regulating it, right? What the hell would a state inspector know about regulating the herb having probably never seen the shit in their life? Seems about as useful as having an engineer with no real experience building stuff designing it things for others to build.

Ian,

I was just messing around but nobody should be growing anything less than chronic, it's just not right.

Ronin,

I agree that canabis is not toxic but smoking it sure produces some harmful substances.

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By Locker
From Yucca Valley, CA
Jan 10, 2014
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"with tax and all, he paid over $70 for 3.5 g of Sour Diesel."

Wow! I'm staying in the med end of this deal and keeping my Red Card valid.




"The store experience sounds weird. You go in, show an ID, then get let into a waiting room."

That's only true for small understaffed stores.

All of the ones I visit you just walk in, show your papers, and if there's no line, done deal! If there is a line, you "Window shop" inside the store. No waiting room experience involved.

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By Ian Stewart
Jan 10, 2014
Ronin wrote:
Then why hasn't anyone died from using just cannabis (asthmatics and allergies not included, of course) in the last 5,000 years? Why do we have receptors for not just the THC but the CBDs and CBNs in our brains?


I am by every measure pro-pot...more so than my wife would like, that's for sure...but I don't believe for a second that it is "healthy". One day maybe science will actually prove that it is when vaped, but until then, and while the vast majority of pot consumption is by smoking, I think it's naive to think there aren't any negative side effects. Perhaps "toxin" isn't the right word. I'm not linguist, sorry.

Ronin wrote:
How can it cure cancer if it is a toxin? Research much?


Alright Mr. Research: sources?

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By Ian Stewart
Jan 10, 2014
MC Poopypants wrote:
Ian, I was just messing around but nobody should be growing anything less than chronic, it's just not right.


As long as there's a market for Bud Light, there's bound to be a market for schwag!

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By s.price
From PS,CO
Jan 10, 2014
 Morning Dew ,self portrait
Ronin, I would like to know your source for herb CURING cancer.
Never heard that one but know from two family members it sure helps with chemo and it's side effects.

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By Locker
From Yucca Valley, CA
Jan 11, 2014
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There is new evidence that chemicals in marijuana can ward off some cancers. But to date, there hasn't been enough study to conclusively show that it does.

A little GOOGLING should bring plenty of links.





"but I don't believe for a second that it is "healthy". One day maybe science will actually prove that it is when vaped, but until then, and while the vast majority of pot consumption is by smoking"

I am 100% PRO POT and also "BURN". But I agree with Ian totally and believe that inhaling SMOKE (Of any kind), most likely is not the healthiest thing to be doing. It is in fact bringing SMOKE into ones lungs. We're taking chances with our health. ;-)

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By Dylan B.
Jan 11, 2014
Orgasm Direct, Devil's Lake, 5.11a  c. 2008
Ronin wrote:
Then why hasn't anyone died from using just cannabis (asthmatics and allergies not included, of course) in the last 5,000 years? Why do we have receptors for not just the THC but the CBDs and CBNs in our brains? How can it cure cancer if it is a toxin? Research much?


LOL.

Cures cancer? Uh huh.

And the teleological argument that "we have receptors" therefore it must be non-toxic is both logically and empirically ridiculous. We "have receptors" in our blood for carbon monoxide; is that not a toxin? We "have receptors" for methamphetamine in our brains; is that not a toxin? Just because our bodies can break down a particular molecule, doesn't mean the molecule is not toxic in acute doses or through chronic exposure. Hell, even over consumption of vitamin C can be toxic.

That said, you're right that there's no known level of THC levels that are "toxic" to the human body. As far as we know, THC is "non-toxic" in the sense that acute exposure has no known long-term harmful effects. Chronic exposure is known to have deleterious effects on cognition, but whether those effects are temporary or permanent is still not clear.

And of course, consumption through inhalation of the smoke necessitates exposure to known carcinogens; whether the anti-carcinogenic effect of THC fully mitigates the exposure to the known carcinogens is not yet known. From the NIH:

"Smoke from tobacco and cannabis contains many of the same carcinogens and tumor promoters [20,21]. However, cannabis and tobacco have additional pharmacological activities, both receptor-dependent and independent, that result in different biological endpoints. [...] Thus, despite potentially higher levels of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons found in cannabis smoke compared to tobacco smoke (dependent on what part of the plant is smoked), the THC present in cannabis smoke should exert a protective effect against pro-carcinogens that require activation. In contrast, nicotine activates some CYP1A1 activities, thus potentially increasing the carcinogenic effects of tobacco smoke [24]."

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/...

There are lots of great arguments for ending prohibition, and marijuana has some beneficial effects for some people. Let's try to stick to credible arguments, defensible on both the facts and the logic, shall we?

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By Locker
From Yucca Valley, CA
Jan 11, 2014
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"Furthermore, compounds found in cannabis have been shown to kill numerous cancer types including: lung cancer [9], breast and prostate [10], leukemia and lymphoma [11], glioma [12], skin cancer [13], and pheochromocytoma [14]. The effects of cannabinoids are complex and sometimes contradicting, often exhibiting biphasic responses. For example, in contrast to the tumor killing properties mentioned above, low doses of THC may stimulate the growth of lung cancer cells in vitro [15]."


So much more study needs to be done. Sure wish the dumb fucks would wake up and get on it! (The Government and their ridiculous LAWS against it)...

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