Material for Self Anchors?
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What is your preferred material to use for self anchors? Specifically when cleaning A TR. It seems most people I climb with (and myself) use two slings, one of which has a locking biner (my personal preference). I've also seen people use a PAS on one side and remain on belay on the other side. Also seen PAS on one side and use the rope on the other side (clove hitch to biner to the chain/ring). Rarely, I've seen people using a length of 6/7mm cordelette with a figure 8 in the middle, which is tied into belay loop/harness and then a biner on each end. This seems more common for mountaineering/alpinism. |
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It's a personal choice and you'll get a lot of unnecessary feedback on here. The key points that really matter are: |
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I have a couple Purcell's tied from cord that live on my harness, as ascenders. They get pressed into use as tethers, and other uses as well. As said above, tons of ways to do this, just make sure you're confident of yours. |
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I bought a PASS when i first started climbing and rarely use it anymore... If you want something to buy, buy a Daisy chain. They are more versatile. I would be versed in a few of the methods you listed above. There are pros and cons to each. and the more you know and practice and think about now, even while sitting on the couch, the better mountaineer/climber you will be in the end. |
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goingUp wrote:I bought a PASS when i first started climbing and rarely use it anymore... If you want something to buy, buy a Daisy chain. They are more versatile.They are also a really bad choice as an anchoring device. You should reconsider you decision. |
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Assuming a normal sport anchor, you don't need a tether of any kind or to go off belay. At most you need a couple of draws to fifi in and one locking biner. |
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Can we please ban people who suggest use a daisy chain is acceptable for this? Aid only, not for cleaning, not for rapping, not for anything other than clipping into a piece of gear while aid climbing or jugging a rope with the appropriate backup. |
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Healyje wrote: They are also a really bad choice as an anchoring device. You should reconsider you decision.Couldn't agree more. Daisies are designed for aid climbing, not personal anchors. The tacked loops do not bear shock very well, and have a low breaking point (depending on manufacturer and model). They are very easy to misuse and load improperly, potentially resulting in disaster. blackdiamondequipment.com/e… Skip to the bottom of the article for illustrations of potential failure scenarios and BD's explicit reminder to NOT use daisychains as personal anchors. |
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I use a tether made from a small length of half rope. A sling will work just as well. My tether goes to one anchor point and then I use whatever the anchor was made from for the other anchor point. |
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If you insist on using personal anchor systems, Petzl has a nice offering now that uses dynamic rope. Why you would need that in a single pitch sport context when you have 60-80 meters of the stuff at your disposal already is another issue for a flame thread 11 pages long. |
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Wilson On The Drums wrote:The key points that really matter are: Always, always communicate with your belayer if you are to clean the anchor and RAP, or to clean the anchor and LOWER. This simple lack of communication has gotten people seriously injured/killed.This is VERY important. I ALWAYS talk with my partner before I climb a pitch and agree what we will do when I reach the anchor. Also I use the rope to anchor in. No extra stuff hanging off my harness, I have plenty of quick draws or spare snapgates if I need to transfer loads around. |
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yup, im an idiot, I shouldnt have opened my mouth, I mis-spoke for sure. Basically the opposite of what I said (regarding PAS Vs. Daisy chain).... and there are far better options still. |
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The most important material you need for a "Self Anchor" is a Self. Unfortunately I'm busy. |
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As others have said its kind of a pick your own adventure on this topic. I use a PAS with locker for primary tie in and 6mm cord (one end has a figure 8 on a bite girth hitched to my tie in point and the other has a non-locker cloved to it) on the other. The 6mm cord can be used a second prussic if I need to for whatever reason. |