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BigCountry · · The High Country · Joined May 2012 · Points: 20

Daniel Evans I'm not sure I would define what you admit to being your own actions as sexual harassment. But you sound like a daMN creepy creeper for sure. Ladies don't like that and I don't blame them. You don't need to stare to notice. That right there kinda makes you a creeper. And yuck. And I'm not sorry

grog m · · Saltlakecity · Joined Aug 2012 · Points: 70

How does he sound like a Creeper? At all really? He is stating his values and opinions and supporting it logically. Doesnt mean they are facts, just means they are opinions.

If that creeps you out then you havent truely experienced something creepy.

don'tchuffonme · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2014 · Points: 26
BigCountry wrote:Daniel Evans I'm not sure I would define what you admit to being your own actions as sexual harassment. But you sound like a daMN creepy creeper for sure. Ladies don't like that and I don't blame them. You don't need to stare to notice. That right there kinda makes you a creeper. And yuck. And I'm not sorry
Award this man five brownie points!!! Wait... wait. There's a flag on the play. Points revoked for faux feminism. And saying the word yuck.
Rick Blair · · Denver · Joined Oct 2007 · Points: 266

Male feminists remind me of guys I knew in college who took women's studies classes to pick up chicks. That never really works out to well by the way.

BigCountry · · The High Country · Joined May 2012 · Points: 20

Hahaha I'll take the flag for yuck. Faux feminism that's a hell of a thing to call a guy. Read it with a country accent and see how it feels. Sorry my girls hot as hell man and I didn't have to make her uncomfortable to like me. I didnt meet her in college she went to law school and they didnt offer recreation management there.Kisses

don'tchuffonme · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2014 · Points: 26
BigCountry wrote:Hahaha I'll take the flag for yuck. Faux feminism that's a hell of a thing to call a guy. Read it with a country accent and see how it feels. Sorry my girls hot as hell man and I didn't have to make her uncomfortable to like me. I didnt meet her in college she went to law school and they didnt offer recreation management there.Kisses
Hmmm, wonder why that's the first thing you mentioned when talking about "your" girl. I rest my case.
BigCountry · · The High Country · Joined May 2012 · Points: 20

Smh.... cause she's hot dumbass

grog m · · Saltlakecity · Joined Aug 2012 · Points: 70

Or is it because physical attraction is the first thing you think of when you think of your gf?

Got em.

Anonymous · · Unknown Hometown · Joined unknown · Points: 0
grog m wrote:Or is it because physical attraction is the first thing you think of when you think of your gf? Got em.
Generally physical attraction is the first thing people look at. Rarely does someone look at a mate and say hmmm I don't find them attractive I must talk with them and see if their personality is good. Generally it is the other way around you find someone attractive, you get to know them and than decide if it would work. Of course there are always cases where people happen to work with someone and even if they aren't physically attracted to them their personalities match enough that it creates physical attraction later.
don'tchuffonme · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2014 · Points: 26
ViperScale wrote: Generally physical attraction is the first thing people look at. Rarely does someone look at a mate and say hmmm I don't find them attractive I must talk with them and see if their personality is good. Generally it is the other way around you find someone attractive, you get to know them and than decide if it would work. Of course there are always cases where people happen to work with someone and even if they aren't physically attracted to them their personalities match enough that it creates physical attraction later.
Rarely? How do you know? That's not the point. The point is even though that's "his" girl, he mentions that first because that's how he defines her worth. That's the first thing he mentioned because that's the most important to him. Probably because it makes him feel better about himself that he was able to pull and keep a "hot girl".
Anonymous · · Unknown Hometown · Joined unknown · Points: 0
don'tchuffonme wrote: Rarely? How do you know? That's not the point. The point is even though that's "his" girl, he mentions that first because that's how he defines her worth. That's the first thing he mentioned because that's the most important to him. Probably because it makes him feel better about himself that he was able to pull and keep a "hot girl".
Guess you kinda missed my point, "hot" is a relative thing that not everyone is going to agree on. What you find attractive and what others find attractive are probably different. Half the "models" etc you see on TV I don't even find attractive... I just see sluty and doesn't interest me at all.

The fact that you think you gf is hot isn't a bad thing, probably a good thing that you like the way your gf looks. However another person may not.
don'tchuffonme · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2014 · Points: 26
ViperScale wrote: Guess you kinda missed my point, "hot" is a relative thing that not everyone is going to agree on. What you find attractive and what others find attractive are probably different. Half the "models" etc you see on TV I don't even find attractive... I just see sluty and doesn't interest me at all. The fact that you think you gf is hot isn't a bad thing, probably a good thing that you like the way your gf looks. However another person may not.
I'm not saying I think she's hot. If you look up really quickly you can see the point passing over your head.
Big Red · · Seattle · Joined Apr 2013 · Points: 937
Rick Blair wrote:Male feminists remind me of guys I knew in college who took women's studies classes to pick up chicks. That never really works out to well by the way.
Or maybe we are not so steeped in toxic masculinity as to feel threatened by women asserting themselves?

Daniel Evans wrote:I simply said that I did not feel it was as frequent as the article suggested based off mine and my partner's experiences.
But you've still offered no support for this assertion other than your experience. You, as a man, are a much less reliable source than the informal survey that the article presented. Even the small handful of women you might have asked does not stand up to the several hundred women that responded to their survey.

So why do you stick to this point when there seems to be inferior evidence for it as compared with the article's point? If someone published an article that people of color in our sport feel discriminated against, would you go to your one or two friends of color and then post a long letter about how you haven't seen this discrimination so it must not be a big problem?
BigCountry · · The High Country · Joined May 2012 · Points: 20

Nobody is missing your point. Your butt hurt and that's ok. I promise if I could reach you while you said her physical qualities are what I think defines her I would spin your damn head around. Keep on with your lines of thought and good luck with your future relationships. The fact is you're missing the point. The point is that making girls uncomfortable gets you negative attention and when you blame that on the ladies you are the dbag. Xoxoxo

bryans · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2006 · Points: 432
nytimes.com/2016/09/23/opin…

This thread is a good example of liberals in a circular firing squad, turning on each other and demanding conformity and threatening excommunication of all those who do not adhere to the rhetoric. The author was disavowed simply for saying writers should be allowed to assume the guise of another race or gender when writing fiction. Fiction! And for this she was reviled by liberals for cultural appropriation. Literally, this is like saying that when you eat refried beans, you are illegally appropriating mexican culture. Or pad thai is off limits unless you can claim Thai descent. Or, Harry Potter is now a sham because JK Rowlings wasn't a boy.

I'm not making this up, research the incident after you read the article above.

Again, I'm a super liberal kind of voter/person, but I'm uncomfortable with the lack of free speech on college campuses. My city of Portland's school district just passed a rule saying creationism can't be taught. Now we can all agree - or should - that creationism is nonsense. But how is this any different than North Carolina ruling that all references to climate change in the legislature are illegal? (Look it up).

The left is supposed to encourage the airing of all ideas, so the bad ones can be discussed and discredited! Like creationism!
Bill Kirby · · Keene New York · Joined Jul 2012 · Points: 480

You really got a thing for Ryan Gosling :)

Rick Blair · · Denver · Joined Oct 2007 · Points: 266
bryans wrote:The left is supposed to encourage the airing of all ideas,
Not according to George Orwell.
djh860 · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2014 · Points: 110

Wow I'm so sick of the entire concept of micro aggressions. People suppose they only happen to women and minorities. Wake up the rich the accomplished the successful and plain old middle class white men are constantly subjected to micro aggressions. All the fathers on tv are idiots ! The same is true for men in commercials . If you're a CEO or a billionaire you are selfish greedy or evil. If you and NBA star you are presumed guilty to every infraction suggested including sexual assault and drugs. Our language and dialogue are full of absent mindedly mean suggestions. Who the fuck cares! Get over it! Stop being such a cry baby!

Old lady H · · Boise, ID · Joined Aug 2015 · Points: 1,374
don'tchuffonme wrote: Rarely? How do you know? That's not the point. The point is even though that's "his" girl, he mentions that first because that's how he defines her worth. That's the first thing he mentioned because that's the most important to him. Probably because it makes him feel better about himself that he was able to pull and keep a "hot girl".
Sorry, I'll call ya on this one. Phrasing it that way, in this forum, he was bound to get this response, but it doesn't mean what you say is true.

In fact, it's irrelevant whether she's hot by anyone's standards. What I hear when he says this is yes, gratitude that this fabulous person will have anything to do with me. How did I ever get so lucky? If it applies to both parties in the relationship, you are indeed very, very fortunate. I have met people with 70 year marriages who still shake their head in wonder that they got what they did. And yes, they still see "hot" sitting across the table in the morning.

Chemistry is only slightly looks, or most of us would be completely doomed!
bryans · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2006 · Points: 432

From the article:

As a lifelong Democratic voter, I’m dismayed by the radical left’s ever-growing list of dos and don’ts — by its impulse to control, to instill self-censorship as well as to promote real censorship, and to deploy sensitivity as an excuse to be brutally insensitive to any perceived enemy. There are many people who see these frenzies about cultural appropriation, trigger warnings, micro-aggressions and safe spaces as overtly crazy. The shrill tyranny of the left helps to push them toward Donald Trump.

Ironically, only fellow liberals will be cowed by terror of being branded a racist (a pejorative lobbed at me in recent days — one that, however groundless, tends to stick). But there’s still such a thing as a real bigot, and a real misogynist. In obsessing over micro-aggressions like the sin of uttering the commonplace Americanism “you guys” to mean “you all,” activists persecute fellow travelers who already care about equal rights.

Sad to say we are seeing something similar here. Check the knee jerk reactions when you check your privilege. Just something to think about, climb on!

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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