Helmets

M Sprague wrote: That's just over a year and I bet many are not reported if they were able to drag themselves out of there. I remember going to pick my dazed and scraped up brother up from the road (he always wears a helmet) and loading his bike into the back of my mother's MG. It didn't really fit but we got it back home. no reporting.

Cool a MG reference..... what kind? I still have my 1967 MGBGT.... got it in 1974. That sucker got to go on about 125,000 miles of Dirt-bag adventures.... rebuilt the motor two times, the last time I sort of went over the line and made a monster out of it. With 11/1 compression, really good valve train and a pretty racy cam... I can't keep a transmission in it now. I am saving up the $5,000 it will take to put "proper gearbox" into the beast.

but heay.... back to the helmet deal, I do use a real one when I race Go-Karts, one time my helmet- with my head in it - had My kart, Kart#45 and The driver of Kart #45 stacked up on top of it.... and we were still going about 70mph when we hit the concrete wall. I spent 3 days in ICU..... helmets do save lives!!!!

Is this a bad time to bring up the fact that I am scared to death of heights and won't even let other people in my group go lean over the edge of a cliff to clip in a top rope anchor?

But than at the same time I have climbed up 800 ft of 50ft between bolts and besides a little (ok alot of nervousness) I was fine with it.

I hate computers but am a software engineer... and I will also go sky diving.

Fear and risk assessment is such a strange thing from person to person.

My friends say my life makes no sense. The only thing I do that makes any since is scuba diving because I love the water and swimming.

ViperScale wrote:Noone has yet to provide me a reasonable reason to wear a helmet. And you know what, there probably isn't a way to prove that there is. For me to always wear one It would mean At least 1pct of every route I climb I would need to fall / knock a rock off and the helmet would have to have at least a 5% chance to prevent major injury (not just smacking my head on the wall and going back to climbing the rest of the day) 1% chance of an accident and only 5% of the times the helmet being useful is extremely low use if you run the numbers out.

You do realize helmets are good for one impact right??? If you were getting hit enough for it to be justified by you you would be burning cash. You are a fucking moron.

that guy named seb wrote: You do realize helmets are good for one impact right??? If you were getting hit enough for it to be justified by you you would be burning cash. You are a fucking moron.

What does anything you posted have to do with anything I posted right there? I ride a motorcycle I completely understand what happens to helmets when they are put to the use. Technically if you drop one 5ft on the ground you are suppose to replace it.

If you want your kids to wear helmets, don't you think you should lead by example?

Kids are fine-tuned to detect & reject parental hypocrisy.

Matt N wrote:So... non-helmet wearers, you NEVER climb under other parties? Or you just like to say that in online arguments?

Nope,, I remember the last time...total fucking confusion.

I'll stick to the "outer' areas thanks

I actually owned a helmet many years ago,,gave up ice climbing and gave away the helmet.

I always mean what I say..no bs trolling here

Patrick Shyvers wrote:If you want your kids to wear helmets, don't you think you should lead by example? Kids are fine-tuned to detect & reject parental hypocrisy.

I know I never understand the parents who yell at their kids for cursing and than turn around and curse.

Guy Keesee wrote: Cool a MG reference..... what kind? I still have my 1967 MGBGT.... got it in 1974. That sucker got to go on about 125,000 miles of Dirt-bag adventures.... rebuilt the motor two times, the last time I sort of went over the line and made a monster out of it. With 11/1 compression, really good valve train and a pretty racy cam... I can't keep a transmission in it now. I am saving up the $5,000 it will take to put "proper gearbox" into the beast. but heay.... back to the helmet deal, I do use a real one when I race Go-Karts, one time my helmet- with my head in it - had My kart, Kart#45 and The driver of Kart #45 stacked up on top of it.... and we were still going about 70mph when we hit the concrete wall. I spent 3 days in ICU..... helmets do save lives!!!!

It was an MGBGT also. I don't remember the year, right near the end of production I think.

Bottom line for OP, pointed out by many, is being a dad. Want kids to wear helmet? Dad has no choice. Period.

Viper, I'm old enough to remember seat belts becoming mandatory, only argument was expense, and I don't actually remember how they worked that out. Your choices are your own, and who knows what we're thinking when we make them, eh? Nothing you've said on here would make me think you are not an unthinking, unsafe climber. Come out sometime, and I'll throw you a belay! :-)

I also remember mandatory motorcycle helmet laws, and the HUGE hubbub. About that time, my brother became a full face helmet believer after getting a bumblebee sucked into his helmet/sunglass intersection once, and a bazillion bug hits in the face on the freeway. Everyone in my family rode, or was a passenger, and every single one of us who drove crashed hard enough to ding the cycle, if not the cyclist.

Climbing, we were out one sunny winter day here, windy, and it had been cold enough to convert old snow to ice. I (belayer) was getting pelted by the stuff as it blew off the tops of the cliff. I was grateful to be able to tuck my head down and let the helmet take at least a few of the shards. No harm, but really stung when smacking a half frozen face.

M Sprague wrote: It was an MGBGT also. I don't remember the year, right near the end of production I think.

Yes, lots of those were made. The one I own is part of the LAST 6000 made by MG.... that company went out of Bizz and didn't make any 1968 model year cars. The name was picked up by British Leyland and they started making MG and MGBGT in 1969. The 1969 and remaining years were not to good. The Brits, Germans and US really had a hard time with the smog requirements and ALL cars sucked performance wise.

My car came with like 124 HP ... the 1969 had like 68HP- couple that with the fact that the 1969 had steel body parts instead of Aluminum and it weighed in 500 lbs heaver.... = Dog

Those could carry a motorbike sticking out the back.

ViperScale wrote:Noone has yet to provide me a reasonable reason to wear a helmet.

Folks, he's as hopeless as a Trump supporter.

I don't know...I just don't get why people believe in global warming. Don't you know it got really cold a couple of times last year? ;p

I always wear a helmet on lead. It's annoying, but I still do.

I also tend to wear a helmet in new areas or on routes where the cleaning obviously isn't finished. That's happening more lately, so I'm wearing a helmet most of the day.

In busy areas like around the start of Rewritten in Eldo, I wear the helmet on the hike up sometimes even or immediately when I get there. I've seen enough rockfall during the day to know to do that.

M Sprague wrote: It was an MGBGT also. I don't remember the year, right near the end of production I think.

You guys inspired me to do some googling. That thing is sweet.

Tim Lutz wrote: I tied nothing to anything, simply an observation.

You also tied choss to trad which is rediddlydarnrediculous. Lets see, the best sport rock in UT/CO is probably limestone and conglomerate right? Do I need to expand here or have you put the bong down yet? Maybe you have only done the trade routes?

I didn't read any post beyond OP.

When I climb, my belayer wears a helmet or I don't climb. If the belayer is knocked out, I am at risk.

When I belay the helmet is on my head.

If there is only one helmet between us, belayer gets it. CYA. Or CYH.

If this belayer bombardment thread is already in existence and staying first page,
mountainproject.com/scripts…
then how did this topic get going in the first place?? Hmmmm...
Though the helmet may not help much against a shopping cart.

This landed next to my friend while we were spectating an FA on a 5.8 trad route. Would a helmet help if this was a direct hit, doubtful, but a glancing blow would have been way different with/without a helmet.

Y'all do what you want but I like the way my hair parts and don't want that to change.

Tim Lutz wrote:

Just saying, in my experience most of the true choss gets bolted.

Tim Lutz wrote:"I can't think of anybody that sport climbs hard and wears a helmet," he says. Rodden said during her trip to Spain, "I haven't seen a single person here wearing a helmet."

From an email sent to me last year by a European friend who has an impressive record at all types of climbing.

"In September we went to another climbing trip, to northern Spain. On the 3rd day I had an accident
in Abella de la Concha, limestone rock, rather smooth rock with some tiny nobs, bolted routes.
A tiny hold broke off just when I was going to clip a bolt at a point where the routed angled off to the left. When falling, one of my legs happened to get caught behind the rope below the lower bolt, because the upper bolt was set quite a bit to the left. Thus I turned upside down, hitting the rock with my head and shoulder. Foolishly not climbing with a helmet. Rarely anybody wears a helmet at these sports climbing crags, but this should not be an excuse.

I was unconscious for 10 minutes, the could walk down to the road (aided) where the ambulance picked me up.

They brought me to the hospital in Tremp (nearest town) where they detected on the CT a small cavity in my Cranium, and 3 fissures running out from this.

They delivered me immediately to the university hospital in Lleida, neuro-surgery section, where I was under intensive observation. In another CT after one day they did not find signs for hemorrhage), but I had to stay for another 2 days flat in bed with infusions."

Slightly relevant anecdote to this thread. A couple of days ago, we rappelled off Devils Tower in the dark (not all that unusual) When we got to the base of the climb, I started to pack my helmet, and thought maybe I should keep it on descending in the dark, but I packed it anyway. I stumbled on the trail, caught myself but still banged my head on a rock. Just a superficial scalp cut, but the sort that bleeds profusely. Wouldn't have been such a big deal, but my wife was waiting for me at the bottom of the path.

Rob.calm

rob.calm wrote: I stumbled on the trail, caught myself but still banged my head on a rock. Just a superficial scalp cut, but the sort that bleeds profusely. Wouldn't have been such a big deal, but my wife was waiting for me at the bottom of the path. Rob.calm

Really we should all wear helmets when leaving the house in the AM.i wear mine more and more as I get older. Especially at the gunks.