Webbing though the Anchors?
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I'm a newb looking to affirm some observations I made of other newbs... |
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Running a top rope directly through the webbing anchor, without carabiners on the masterpoint, is a death wish. |
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Yea that's borderline suicidal, if you see them again please say something |
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Pics or it didn't happen!! |
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Rope on webbing.... they are honestly lucky they didn't die that day. If you have any way to contact them, or try to contact them, I would say something because it won't be too long before their luck runs out. Maybe post something on your local forum and hope the information finds them. |
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Yikes! You are on the right track indeed! |
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Rope can melt through nylon webbing over the course of a single lowering. If they continue this practice it's only a matter of time before someone decks. |
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Really scary stuff. They were lucky not to get killed doing that. |
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That's what is known as a Darwin's Anchor. If after rigging that you couldn't see the problem, perhaps it's for the best of the species that you go ahead and climb on it. |
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Tim Lau wrote:I'm a newb looking to affirm some observations I made of other newbs... I was at a wall that is frequented by newcomers because of its easy top rope access and easy pitches. Perfect really for learning some basic skills. All routes are bolted top rope and managed by a county park. While there, I saw someone rig a top rope anchor by running two lengths of 1" webbing through the 2 bolted anchors, tying each length off with what I assume was a water knot but without carabiners. The 'master point' was a sliding X. The rope was then run through the sliding X without benefit of 'biners. My thoughts: - The webbing passed directly through the bolted anchor isn't such a great idea. The sharp edge could cut the strap fairly easily. They should have clipped a 'biner to the anchor and then used their runners. - Passing the rope through the sliding X master point without a 'biner would create much friction, heat and other bad things that could be easily avoided by adding 2 opposed 'biners. Am I on the right track?Webbing through bolt hangers, not a problem. This has been done for many years all over the world without failures due to the hanger cutting the webbing. Rope through the webbing however is almost certain to cut through the webbing with a single lower and there have been many deaths due to this throughout the years (I can think of at least one in the last year). |
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thebmags wrote:Yea that's borderline suicidal, if you see them again please say somethingI offered them 4 carabiners and suggested they re-rig. I was dismissed. |
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This was on "Left at the Y" at Rocky Face |
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FWIW about 10 years ago or so just as we got the base of a route a person was being lowered after top roping the route. About five feet from the deck he dropped with the rope coming down right after him. They rigged the TR just as the OP described. His lowering burned through the rope. |
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When I see incorrect stuff mostly I keep it to myself because it is usually not an immediate safety issue. |
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kennoyce wrote: Webbing through bolt hangers, not a problem. This has been done for many years all over the world without failures due to the hanger cutting the webbing. Rope through the webbing however is almost certain to cut through the webbing with a single lower and there have been many deaths due to this throughout the years (I can think of at least one in the last year).+1 |
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Thanks all. |