Truck noise in Clear Creek and Boulder Canyons

May I say "only in Boulder"? Wowie Zowie!

Dankasaurus wrote:May I say "only in Boulder"?

Golden

Golder

Cor wrote:Golder

+1

It's easy to put so called "greedy" capitalists out of business. Just stop using their products. So move out of your home, don't use highways, grocery stores, clothing stores, office buildings, and anything else that uses concrete or rock. But you knew that.

Nobody here likes the noise. Some here just have a more realistic evaluation of it. Jake brakes are loud. Really loud. And the law cited above came from an faq. This is not exactly the law. Does it apply to all trucks, all trucks manufactured after a certain date, etc? If this law had any teeth, not only would every policeman and policewoman know this law but they would be enforcing it left and right due to its revenue generation. I got nearly knocked off Little Eiger the other day from a jake brake, which is why I choose to go elsewhere most times. Good luck with the Harley's.

Even if a semi has a jake brake muffler, the truck may still be very very loud, esp. in the confined spaces of a mountain canyon.
To quote Mr. Kafka--"Give it up!"

I sometimes see other people when I go climbing. Not usually, but sometimes.

Dankasaurus wrote:May I say "only in Boulder"? Wowie Zowie!

I think it's funny when people make comments like this as if it is some sort of insult. I see this as a strength of the Boulder/Golden area. Climbers realize they are a significant demographic in the area and use their sway to change their area for the better. Those from outside the area can continue to laugh and insult and be jealous once they come and realize it's a great place to be. Certainly Boulder has many "Boulder specific" problems, obnoxious people, etc. But I am elated that a climbing community could come together and get an ordinance that is already on the books enforced and make enjoying nature more quiet, serene and....natural.

Paul-B wrote: I think it's funny when people make comments like this as if it is some sort of insult. I see this as a strength of the Boulder/Golden area. Climbers realize they are a significant demographic in the area and use their sway to change their area for the better. Those from outside the area can continue to laugh and insult and be jealous once they come and realize it's a great place to be. Certainly Boulder has many "Boulder specific" problems, obnoxious people, etc. But I am elated that a climbing community could come together and get an ordinance that is already on the books enforced and make enjoying nature more quiet, serene and....natural.

It wasn't stated as an insult. It was just a statement of subjective fact that you unwittingly, helpfully, reinforced.

Golder...that good!

Would the people who care about reducing the canyon truck noise like to meet together--over beer/or...?

I live in north Boulder and could host a get-together at my home, or meet you all in Golden.

I'd just like to repeat something I said earlier: our society has long respected the concept of trust law.

That concept recognizes 'the beneficiary,' who enjoys the benefits of the property, and 'the trustee,' who manages the property for the benefit of the 'beneficiary'.

Climbers/skiers/birders/hikers are among the beneficiaries of our beautiful Front Range landscape; however, I sincerely believe (enlarging that legal concept) that we are also the landscape's trustees, in that our enjoyment of this landscape carries with it the duty to 'manage'= protect,& preserve it for other beneficiaries. 21st century rock climbers are not the only beneficiaries of the wonderful heritage we enjoy.

Our only power as such 'protectors/trustees' emanates from whatever influence we can muster to make 'public' agencies protect our landscape....in legal terms, the 'trust property.'

It is, therefore, not just for Front Range climbers' sensitive ears that we want to limit the truck noise. We are offended and injured by that noise because it denigrates and fouls the environment that every species nearby, now & in the future, has a right to enjoy.

Lin

Can we get together somewhere quiet. Perhaps the library. The bars are just way too loud.

Greg D wrote:Can we get together somewhere quiet. Perhaps the library. The bars are just way too loud.

Zing~!

When I climb at Lover's Leap along 285 and 10 Mile Canyon along I70 the traffic noise is ruining my wilderness experience. Can we also ban/eliminate motor vehicles along those corridors?

That quarry and truck traffic has been there longer than climbing (definitely sport) in the canyon - it's called coming to the nuisance. Don't like the truck noise, go some place else to climb. It's akin to moving into the barn and kicking out the animals because they smell bad. And please don't spread this silly notion of trust law some how applying to the landscapes; it is not recognized by our law and should not be. Finally, it is not the Boulder/Golden community - the two are not a like. Unlike Boulder, Golden has not (yet anyway) zoned out the lower socio-economic groups who have more to worry about than an increase in truck noise from increased construction whcih is providing them with a livelihood. For fuck's sake.

lin murphy wrote:...It is, therefore,...for Front Range climbers' sensitive ears that we want to limit the truck noise. We are offended and injured ... Lin

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J.C.P. wrote:That quarry and truck traffic has been there longer than climbing (definitely sport) in the canyon - it's called coming to the nuisance. Don't like the truck noise, go some place else to climb. It's akin to moving into the barn and kicking out the animals because they smell bad. And please don't spread this silly notion of trust law some how applying to the landscapes; it is not recognized by our law and should not be. Finally, it is not the Boulder/Golden community - the two are not a like. Unlike Boulder, Golden has not (yet anyway) zoned out the lower socio-economic groups who have more to worry about than an increase in truck noise from increased construction whcih is providing them with a livelihood. For fuck's sake.

And when are they going to do something about the awful smell at North Table Mtn?

The easy solution would be to ban climbing in Clear Creek Canyon.

It seems to me the roads were there first, get over it.

cragmantoo wrote: And when are they going to do something about the awful smell at North Table Mtn?

Coors, not the climbers...

Ruins my wilderness experience

lin murphy wrote:Would the people who care about reducing the canyon truck noise like to meet together--over beer/or...? I live in north Boulder and could host a get-together at my home, or meet you all in Golden. I'd just like to repeat something I said earlier: our society has long respected the concept of trust law. That concept recognizes 'the beneficiary,' who enjoys the benefits of the property, and 'the trustee,' who manages the property for the benefit of the 'beneficiary'. Climbers/skiers/birders/hikers are among the beneficiaries of our beautiful Front Range landscape; however, I sincerely believe (enlarging that legal concept) that we are also the landscape's trustees, in that our enjoyment of this landscape carries with it the duty to 'manage'= protect,& preserve it for other beneficiaries. 21st century rock climbers are not the only beneficiaries of the wonderful heritage we enjoy. Our only power as such 'protectors/trustees' emanates from whatever influence we can muster to make 'public' agencies protect our landscape....in legal terms, the 'trust property.' It is, therefore, not just for Front Range climbers' sensitive ears that we want to limit the truck noise. We are offended and injured by that noise because it denigrates and fouls the environment that every species nearby, now & in the future, has a right to enjoy. Lin

From Boulder... No wonder...