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Leaning to Climb Tradtionally Indoors

Ted Pinson · · Chicago, IL · Joined Jul 2014 · Points: 252
highaltitudeflatulentexpulsion wrote: It's getting your god dammed approach shoes eaten by marmots.
Ahahaha. /thread
Hilton Bennett · · Richmond, Virginia · Joined Dec 2014 · Points: 5

If you can "sight" or "read" a route in the gym before you start climbing with colorful holds, this device will allow you to do the same. The variation in stones allows a setter a range of placements.

I would agree that you don't just learn trad, just like you don't just learn sport climbing, what you do is become more confident at each, you learn better clipping or gear placement stances, you get stronger because you are on the wall longer focused on getting that move. And most importantly you have the opportunity to train for something that you can currently only travel long distances to do in many cases.

Nearest trad from my place other than Manchester Bridge is 3 hours+ away. Nearest climbing gym, 12 minutes. Solution, bring trad to 12 minutes away. Done. And next time I go 3 hours away and someone on mountain project says to bring multiple number 3 cams, a number 5 nut, and various other gear I'll be ready, and climbers who have been training indoors will confidently be ready as well.

Get excited ya'll!

Em Cos · · Boulder, CO · Joined Apr 2010 · Points: 5
Hilton Bennett wrote:I wanted a way to learn and be taught how to trad climb in a way I could test the placement without risking death.
Ok... do you really think every person who has ever learned to climb trad was risking death? (well, ok yes, in the same way that anyone could be killed by anything every day).

There are indeed safe ways to learn to place gear. Any experienced trad climber could teach you. Where are you located? Maybe someone on MP can take you out and teach you to climb...
Mark E Dixon · · Possunt, nec posse videntur · Joined Nov 2007 · Points: 974
Hilton Bennett wrote: Get excited ya'll!
Do I hear "Woot!"
Em Cos · · Boulder, CO · Joined Apr 2010 · Points: 5
Hilton Bennett wrote:And next time I go 3 hours away and someone on mountain project says to bring multiple number 3 cams, a number 5 nut, and various other gear I'll be ready, and climbers who have been training indoors will confidently be ready as well. Get excited ya'll!
Just... just bring your whole rack! Clip it on your harness! Climb the rock! Choose the correct gear as you go!

How have you invested so much of your own time and money in trad climbing when you seem not to understand how it works at all?

Sorry, sorry... I know I'm violating rule #1 here... but my brain is melting. I would say it's all a joke except for the funding site and the video....

Find someone who is experienced at trad climbing. Buy them beer or dinner or gas money or all three. Ask them to teach you to climb. You will gain a whole new perspective on this project, I can almost guarantee it.
Tedk · · elliottsburg pa · Joined Jul 2015 · Points: 5

thats it im going out to buy a treadmill and some large trees to put in my office so i can practice hiking.

Hilton Bennett · · Richmond, Virginia · Joined Dec 2014 · Points: 5

Testing,

I was at 200 hours of testing when I took on the Venture Creations Competition.
To date I've easily got over 300 hours of testing and I will continue to test the CAD models under a variation of conditions, and with a variety of materials.

Also to the question about whether I was looking for:

1. They are basically pre-ordering the product - often at a slight discount over what the projected MSRP will be. Sometimes paying a slight premium to be the first to get the product, and/or because they really want the product to come to market.

2. They believe in the product so much and want it to be produced so badly that they are willing to "invest" in the future existence of the product.

3. They are your family and friends and are actually donating to you, not investing in the product.

I am definitely looking for 2, 3, and 1. Donating at some levels opens up a special page which allows for gyms to get a significant discount on their purchase orders. But again if you are looking for a device for your home wall, let me know! I built my 30 degree wall some 3 years ago and I certainly plan to add this device to it when its produced. And I'm happy to add mid-level donation spots to make this possible.

Imagine for a second that some guy just wants to be able to get stronger and better at trad climbing and that he wants to be able to share that with others. Ok now you've got me.

Hilton Bennett · · Richmond, Virginia · Joined Dec 2014 · Points: 5

Its simple but its my home climbing wall.

home climbing wall 30 degrees, 8ft-arete'-12'

Micah Klesick · · Charlotte, NC · Joined Aug 2013 · Points: 3,971
Em Cos wrote: Just... just bring your whole rack! Clip it on your harness! Climb the rock! Choose the correct gear as you go! How have you invested so much of your own time and money in trad climbing when you seem not to understand how it works at all? Sorry, sorry... I know I'm violating rule #1 here... but my brain is melting. I would say it's all a joke except for the funding site and the video.... Find someone who is experienced at trad climbing. Buy them beer or dinner or gas money or all three. Ask them to teach you to climb. You will gain a whole new perspective on this project, I can almost guarantee it.
+1 OP appears clueless about trad climbing...
Brandon.Phillips · · Portola, CA · Joined May 2011 · Points: 55

We all see/hear the sometimes disastrous results of people making poor or uniformed attempts at the gym to crag transition. Imagine how much more exciting it will be when you can cut out the sport crag middle-man and go straight to outdoor trad climbing! What about a triple set so you can build a three piece hanging belay? Then you can go from leading 5.9 in the gym straight to Epinephrine, because you crush 5.9!

I try not to bash people's ideas in the forums, but being able to truthfully acknowledge ones' inexperience is what keeps people alive.

and I know Epi has bolted belays, just illustrating a point.

Em Cos · · Boulder, CO · Joined Apr 2010 · Points: 5
Hilton Bennett wrote:Also to the question about whether I was looking for: 1. They are basically pre-ordering the product - often at a slight discount over what the projected MSRP will be. Sometimes paying a slight premium to be the first to get the product, and/or because they really want the product to come to market. 2. They believe in the product so much and want it to be produced so badly that they are willing to "invest" in the future existence of the product. 3. They are your family and friends and are actually donating to you, not investing in the product. I am definitely looking for 2, 3, and 1.
The lowest contribution level that gets you a single unit is $5000... are you saying that this is close to what you project the MSRP will be?
Em Cos · · Boulder, CO · Joined Apr 2010 · Points: 5
Hilton Bennett wrote:Imagine for a second that some guy just wants to be able to get stronger and better at trad climbing and that he wants to be able to share that with others. Ok now you've got me.
You can get stronger at climbing by climbing outdoors, and by climbing in the gym. You will really only get better at trad climbing by trad climbing, with or without this device.
highaltitudeflatulentexpulsion · · Colorado · Joined Oct 2012 · Points: 35
Hilton Bennett wrote:Imagine for a second that some guy just wants to be able to get stronger and better at trad climbing and that he wants to be able to share that with others. Ok now you've got me.
This is where you're losing us.

Practicing jamming and building that type of endurance helps trad climbing. Placing cams doesn't.

You will never get stronger just by slapping in a bunch of cams in a sea of plastic. Your device teaches people what they can figure out by taking a rack to the scattered rocks on the approach trail. Your device can't teach anyone something that they wouldn't learn in the first 30 minutes of playing around on the ground. It doesn't teach as much as you'd learn in your first 2 trad leads.

And

Hilton Bennett wrote: And next time I go 3 hours away and someone on mountain project says to bring multiple number 3 cams, a number 5 nut, and various other gear I'll be ready, and climbers who have been training indoors will confidently be ready as well.
No, they'll die.
highaltitudeflatulentexpulsion · · Colorado · Joined Oct 2012 · Points: 35
Brandon.Phillips wrote:Imagine how much more exciting it will be when you can cut out the sport crag middle-man and go straight to outdoor trad climbing!
I'd been climbing 2 years before I tried my first proper sport route. Same with everyone else I learned with. It's not an issue.
BigB · · Red Rock, NV · Joined Feb 2015 · Points: 340
RockinOut wrote: Who bolts cracks?
Eric Sloan... w00t!
Chris JD · · Golden, Co · Joined Oct 2005 · Points: 390

I use the following link to get mine. Less than $60 and you can get different sizes to stick your cams into

Currently 28% off!

fleshlight.com

Guy Keesee · · Moorpark, CA · Joined Mar 2008 · Points: 349

Ho man ..... if people want to learn how to climb with gear, indoors, the solution is clear.

Get the NPS to green light the "Intersection Rock under the Dome" ...as a pilot project.

Then we could build a big ass dome across Yosemite, add in AC, adjusted climate control with perfect rain amounts and a system to scrub out the car exhaust.... then we all could climb indoors "In Style"

Mr. Hilton Bennett..... good luck with your enterprise.

BigB · · Red Rock, NV · Joined Feb 2015 · Points: 340
Chris JD wrote:I use the following link to get mine. Less than $60 and you can get different sizes to stick your cams into Currently 28% off! fleshlight.com
solid gold
grog m · · Saltlakecity · Joined Aug 2012 · Points: 70

I think its a good idea. Maybe not to whip on, but for someone who has never even felt a cam before it could help you get the basic idea.

Keep up the innovation and just realize that you posted in a forum full of a very hateful, angry, bigoted, opinionated group of people. Myself included.

FrankPS · · Atascadero, CA · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 276
grog m wrote:I think its a good idea. Maybe not to whip on, but for someone who has never even felt a cam before it could help you get the basic idea. Keep up the innovation and just realize that you posted in a forum full of a very hateful, angry, bigoted, opinionated group of people. Myself included.
Good post, Greg.

To the OP, if you can get past the derision here, take the advice to heart and modify your idea as needed. Although most people are telling you to drop the whole idea, I think there could be some benefit to learning cam or nut placements. As long as you offer something other than parallel cracks. Good luck.
Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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