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How do you like this tether/ rappel extension ?

JoeLars41 · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2015 · Points: 60
Rob Warden, Space Lizard wrote:for the record, there has been one fatality canyoning where the autoblock on the leg loop contributed. however, is was a small component that contextually is less important than the judgement of the individual. I i dont like this. its overly complicated and requires too much time. get a 240cm sling fold it in half, pass it through your tie-ins and knot it . you now have 4 strands of webbing making two fully redundant loops off your harness.
This?

canyoncollective.com/thread…
ClimbLikeAGirl · · Keene Valley · Joined Jun 2015 · Points: 15

K.I.S.S.

Keep It Simple Stupid.

Questions like these are what's ruining climbing.

Brie Abram · · Celo, NC · Joined Oct 2007 · Points: 493
Eric Moss · · Exton, PA · Joined Apr 2016 · Points: 95
ClimbLikeAGirl wrote:K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Stupid. Questions like these are what's ruining climbing.
You don't have to look at my posts, you know?
ClimbLikeAGirl · · Keene Valley · Joined Jun 2015 · Points: 15
Eric Moss wrote: You don't have to look at my posts, you know?
You asked the question. If you wanted selective answers, you should have been more specific.
FrankPS · · Atascadero, CA · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 276
ClimbLikeAGirl wrote:K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Stupid. Questions like these are what's ruining climbing.
It's the end of climbing as we know it, right? "Ruining" climbing? Um, no. It's still fun for me!
wivanoff · · Northeast, USA · Joined Mar 2012 · Points: 674
Eric Moss wrote: How do you like this tether/ rappel extension ?
Eric Moss wrote: You don't have to look at my posts, you know?
LOL.. At least you're entertaining.

You're right. People don't have to look at your posts. But, you keep posting these Rube Goldberg, macrame contraptions and invite people to comment on them. Then you get upset when people don't agree with you and don't praise you for your new improved contribution to climbing.

Maybe you think you're being innovative? I don't know. But the truth is, the simpler method is most often the safest and most practical. Fortunately, climbers with lots of experience DO look at your posts and comment on them.
Nathan Self · · Louisiana · Joined Mar 2012 · Points: 90

Eric,

What did you do to these people to make them act like such jerks? By the way, it's a-ok to review and experiment with your systems...just be careful and check your work!

ClimbLikeAGirl · · Keene Valley · Joined Jun 2015 · Points: 15
FrankPS wrote: It's the end of climbing as we know it, right? "Ruining" climbing? Um, no. It's still fun for me!
OK, maybe "ruining" was too strong of a term, or maybe it's the right one.

Relying on a single mode of doing something all the time is a weakness for any climber. There are always scenarios in which a particuclar way you do something most of the time would be inappropriate for the situation. Knowing lots of tricks or methods of doing something creates for a more well-rounded climber who will undoubtedly be smarter and faster.

Some examples of true statements for me:

Statement: I never tie knots in my ropes to rappel ... except when it's a free hanging to the next rap station, OR if the ropes barely make it to the next station, OR...?

Statement: I never use a prussic loop to rap... except maybe for the exceptions above, OR I'm tired and it's late and focus is low, OR I have a heavy pack, OR I just feel like it, OR...

Statement: I never wear my helmet... except when I'm climbing a choss pile, OR at a cliff with parties above me, OR I might take a huge fall, OR my climber tends to drop things while leading, OR...?

Statement: I always rappel with an ATC... except when I drop mine by accident, OR except when I throw mine at my partner for showing up with this nonsense on his harness...
Greg Maschi · · Phoenix ,Az · Joined Oct 2010 · Points: 0

It is not your worst idea, the equalized three leg ancor was far more useless.

BigFeet · · Texas · Joined May 2014 · Points: 385

You guys are looking at this all wrong.

Let the guy do his thing. He is posting threads that keep us returning to read, if not making you post a comment yourself. Everybody wants a high MP score, right?

If anything, the untangling of thought and purpose in what is being presented should get you to think. I mean, really, who has not dissected these posts for their own reasons - be it to mock, ridicule, or entertain?

Enjoy the fun, ladies and gentlemen!

Keep the good stuff coming, Eric, you are getting a rise out of us.

rocknice2 · · Montreal, QC · Joined Nov 2006 · Points: 3,847

Moss-O-lette 3 point anchor, Moss-tether and a full body harness racked with 15 screamers. What can go wrong?

patto · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2012 · Points: 25
Eric Moss wrote:On second thought, I don't need a redundant connection to the belay biner since I'm using a shunt to back the rappel, and the shunt is connected to the belay loop.
Your obsession with 'redundancy' is absurd. Your belay loop isn't redundant. Your harness isn't redundant. Nor is the belay device or your rope....
Anonymous · · Unknown Hometown · Joined unknown · Points: 0
patto wrote: Your obsession with 'redundancy' is absurd. Your belay loop isn't redundant. Your harness isn't redundant. Nor is the belay device or your rope....
Harness is redundant, you have leg straps and a waist strap... that makes 2 points that would have to completely fail for you to fall.

The only points that have no real backup are the rope (unless you are using doubles) and the belay loop.
patto · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2012 · Points: 25
ViperScale wrote: Harness is redundant, you have leg straps and a waist strap... that makes 2 points that would have to completely fail for you to fall. The only points that have no real backup are the rope (unless you are using doubles) and the belay loop.
It seem you fail to understand what redundant means. Your harness is certainly not "redundant".
Ralph Swansen · · Boulder CO · Joined Nov 2012 · Points: 761

Single 120 cm sewn sling extension setup is way better than than this.

ClimbLikeAGirl · · Keene Valley · Joined Jun 2015 · Points: 15
ViperScale wrote: Harness is redundant, you have leg straps and a waist strap... that makes 2 points that would have to completely fail for you to fall. The only points that have no real backup are the rope (unless you are using doubles) and the belay loop.
I once saw a woman about 25 feet up a route on top rope sit back in her harness to rest. Her harness "popped" and she flipped upside down and screamed to be lowered while grabbing at the rope so as not to plummet 25 feet head first. I helped receive her as her belayer lowered her to get her on the ground and we analyzed what had happened. She failed to thread her buckle, which was a quick slide style, properly and the tab of webbing 'popped' out from around the buckle, causing the waist band to open fully.

My point is your "waist" loop is not redundant. Had this woman not flexed her legs (like hanging on a monkey bar) to keep her leg loops under her knees, she would have decked and possibly died.
JK- Branin · · NYC-ish · Joined Nov 2012 · Points: 56

Ruining climbing is a bit strong...

Do 99% of all new ideas for climbing gear and setups completely suck? Probably.

But that's not really a problem, that's just how ideas work. Most of them suck. As long as the idea isn't going to hurt anyone, no big deal. The inefficient or down right silly ideas will weed themselves out. And that 1% that is left? Well, that's where we get new gear or systems in climbing.

Besides which: messing around with systems is fun... As long as you have the knowledge to do it safely. And isn't fun really what this game is all about? Some people get their kicks out of really high numbers, others from long easy multipitch, some from geeking out over gear, etc.

Anonymous · · Unknown Hometown · Joined unknown · Points: 0
ClimbLikeAGirl wrote: I once saw a woman about 25 feet up a route on top rope sit back in her harness to rest. Her harness "popped" and she flipped upside down and screamed to be lowered while grabbing at the rope so as not to plummet 25 feet head first. I helped receive her as her belayer lowered her to get her on the ground and we analyzed what had happened. She failed to thread her buckle, which was a quick slide style, properly and the tab of webbing 'popped' out from around the buckle, causing the waist band to open fully. My point is your "waist" loop is not redundant. Had this woman not flexed her legs (like hanging on a monkey bar) to keep her leg loops under her knees, she would have decked and possibly died.
You just proved my point. It has leg straps and even with a complete waist wrap failure she was fine. The legs straps are not as good as the waist but they will keep you from falling to your death... I know because I have fallen with only the leg straps on before and lived. (was distracted by a friend and didn't notice I only went through the leg loop part)

You maybe should look up what redundant means. It basically means 2 completely different things have to fail for the system to fail.

Here it is from google leg straps -> not strictly necessary to functioning but included in case of failure in another component. (remember leg straps didn't exist on original harnesses)
Eric Moss · · Exton, PA · Joined Apr 2016 · Points: 95
Ralph Swansen wrote:Single 120 cm sewn sling extension setup is way better than than this.
That was actually my inspiration for this. I saw the 120 mm sling setup in the AMGA Single Pitch Manual, but I didn't think it was redundant enough. Plus, this one can be detached without having to undo a girth hitch.
Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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