Another rappel accident: Thomas Huber
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The internationally prominent climber, Thomas Huber, rappelled off the end of his rope and fell about 60 feet sustaining a serious head injury from which he is expected to fully recover (let’s hope so). There was no information as to whether or not he was wearing a helmet. Here are the reports in German, the second one has more detail. |
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Knots are good. |
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Jeez...glad he's ok. 60' could have been fatal. You didn't have to say "rappelled off the ends of his ropes, no knots" because it was implied by the title "rappelling accident." :( |
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Ted Pinson wrote:Jeez...glad he's ok. 60' could have been fatal. You didn't have to say "rappelled off the ends of his ropes, no knots" because it was implied by the title "rappelling accident." :(I though it was pertinent and necessary. There are a number of ways that a person can have a rappel accident (failure to rig properly, anchor failure, struck by rockfall). |
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I was being sardonic. Yes, all of those things can happen, but 99% of the time, it's silly, easily preventable, often fatal mistakes like rappelling off the ends of a rope. |
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Looking at what he was doing and where he was going would have also stopped this accident and is the primary issue. (Just saying this because knots a backup for a mistake that has already occurred.) |
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patto wrote:Looking at what he was doing and where he was going would have also stopped this accident and is the primary issue. (Just saying this because knots a backup for a mistake that has already occurred.) Like many of these things the primary cause was complacency.+1 This is what so many "always knot your rap lines" adherents seem to forget. |
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He's lucky and he and his partners will likely never make that mistake again. |
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Marc801 wrote: +1 This is what so many "always knot your rap lines" adherents seem to forget."Forget" is the operative word, eh? That 10,000th time. :-) |
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Legs Magillicutty wrote:He's lucky and he and his partners will likely never make that mistake again. I hope the boys got for Latok another time. I was looking forward to hearing about the expedition.Another time is next week. He recovered and is going. So sayeth J Do. Amazing recovery. |
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WOW!!! Cool! |
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Ted Pinson wrote:I was being sardonic. Yes, all of those things can happen, but 99% of the time, it's silly, easily preventable, often fatal mistakes like rappelling off the ends of a rope.This is what we need right now. Jingus, made up statistics about rappelling accidents. I'm glad Thomas is expected to recover fully. |
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Ted Pinson wrote:I was being sardonic.I don't think that word means what you think it means. |
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Old lady H wrote: "Forget" is the operative word, eh? That 10,000th time. :-)I think you're missing the point. The knots are a backup for a mistake that already occurred. Not knotting the ropes wasn't what he forgot. |
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Marc801 wrote: I think you're missing the point. The knots are a backup for a mistake that already occurred. Not knotting the ropes wasn't what he forgot.Havent heard it put that way but couldnt agree more! |
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patto wrote:Looking at what he was doing and where he was going would have also stopped this accident and is the primary issue.That's like saying being human is the primary issue. Unless one is one & only infallible hard core trad climber patto. |
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And forgetting to look where you are rappelling is like forgetting to look for cars when you are crossing a busy road. Or forgetting whether a red traffic light means go or means stop. reboot wrote: That's like saying being human is the primary issue. Unless one is one & only infallible hard core trad climber patto.No it isn't. The number of people rappelling without looking where they are going seems exceedingly high. When people respond that knots are the solution they are missing the point. Just so I don't come across as a know it all faultless rappeler I'll briefly mention two rapelling incidents I've had. 1. Non vertical tiered rapelling on a remote cliff. My rope dislodged a large rock and only quick reactions saved serious leg injuries. In the future I should be more alert to the risks of rope movements dislodging loose material. 2. A traversing rappel to remove stuck gear. I underestimated the pendulum swing back onto the face. My rappel was appropriately backed up but the impact with an opposite wall could have had worse consequences. |
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The question that arises from these accidents of "too short" ropes, no knots. How many other times had the victim been rappelling without looking where they are going? Once? Twice? Every rappel? |
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Morgan Patterson wrote: Havent heard it put that way but couldnt agree more!Credit really belongs to patto. |
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patto wrote: What "backup" do you have if you are crossing a busy road?The vehicles flying-by in front of you. It's actually crossing a normally empty road that you don't have a backup. It's an issue of human complacency (very few people will "forget" to not look around rappelling into unknown territory). You combat that with simple but seemingly overkill habits. Just being careful w/ what you doing all the time will fail you at some point. |
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Patto is 100% correct. May I add my own story. Years ago I was rapping off of No Mans Land at the Gunks, using a friends bi-colored rope. Unbeknownst to me, he had cut 30ft off one end! I can tell this story because I watch were I'm going. |