Lily White Hipsters of SLC

...who don't care for the environment, apparently:

source: summitpost.org/breadloaves-…

I was looking into going out to the CoR soon, is this scene described above normal? Sounds like a whacked scenario.

Interestingly, in spending time and living in SLC, nearly all the people that climb there are NOT the local Mormons, but transplants from CO, CA or other locations. Seems someone is making a false assumption about the SLC climbing Community.

Haha oh ShET!

Is that from Summitpost? Who goes there anymore?

https://youtu.be/i8wLsXv2NCo

"wannabe gangsta music" /sigh That ain't accurate either.

I made the same mistake Dow did my first trip to Utah. I was a 25 year old arrogant, naive, wannabe gangster who embarrassed himself and his wife after meeting a group of friendly natives that invited me back to their apartment. I'm pretty sure I laughed at a friend (didn't know it at the time) who was wearing a baseball cap cocked sideways. I did so because he was from Utah. Lucky for me I was generous and looked like Aleks Z at the time. Probably the only reason I didn't get my ass kicked.

This was the second biggest regret I look back on from time to time. Those guys from Utah were one of the most friendly groups I've ever met and they were pretty gangsta.

"Predictably, for as many remote areas that I have climbed at the City of Rocks and Castle Rock State Park, Breadloaves (the most accessible area) is one of my least favorite locales and where you will rarely find me. I have capitulated on a few occasions. Why do I despise climbing here so much? The crowds are the main reason, but I suffer those on occasion at Jtree, etc as well. But for whatever reason, the lily white hipsters of SLC have far less care for their environment, whether it be litter, dog shit and/or noise then hippies, young or old, from southern California. Maybe it is those same hypocritical Christian values spread throughout the bible belt that propelled Trump to the Republican nomination in 2016, but I digress. There might as well be a train run from downtown SLC to the Breadloaves, dogs, music, crying babies and all. Whereas, if there is at least a one mile hike involved, you will have any crag at the City or Castle all to yourselves. Thus why I have not climbed much on these walls."

This guy sounds like us last weekend bitching about hikers on the other side of the creek. Ha ha ha. We didn't get quite that far in our ranting, however, which was reduced to grumbling about kids playing hackey sack instead of continuing their hike past our area. Now get off my lawn!!!!!

The problem with the poster is that (s)he wants the 0 approach belay form your car crag that sits above the group campsite too.
Just spent a week there. There was a single weekend day when that sounded 1/2 true. The rest of the time, no. The worst I had it was belaying at Bloody fingers and having a married couple bring their 3 feral children in (OK, 2 ferals, 1 too young to presume anything about) to scream "MIINNNEEEE" and "NOOOOOO" and incessantly whine with close to 0 discipline at the base of the crag.
I told the 5(?4) year old that distracting the 3(?2) year old with a different toy was the way to make him want something else, or to give him a particular idea about what to do with the toy digging trucks so that he could play too... and that was as much parenting as I saw going on.

The short approach OF COURSE draws the groups, and walking further OF COURSE filters them. And yeah, you can walk into the lower areas and be all alone for the day (IE Building Blocks was a great day for us, completely alone). It is really no different than any other crag on any other day.

You know, I wouldn't write up a thing about how that's what happens at COR. That's just life. For what it is worth, I didn't see the Breadloaves as being environmentally trashed. Looked in good shape, other than a deeply worn trail.

I hate missing a good Dow Jones rant. Less than 30 minutes and he's already deleted it?! I had my "Dow Jones Bingo Board" ready to roll. Did he mention being a professional climber, awesome Canadian mountains, and refer to his Summit Post page?

ETA - I didn't click through to the link. But I did and I'm glad I did. Thanks Dow! You never fail to satisfy.

Lol. As a local SLC transplant originally from the housing projects of North Carolina, I'd say that that Summit Post summary is absolutely right. I recommend skipping not just Breadloaves but all of City of Rocks, and ideally the rest of Idaho, Wyoming, and Utah as well, which are all straight up choss and are full of germ riddled children. FYI re winter, the skiing sucks, too, but I digress. Your best bet is to stick to the nirvana crags of SoCal and Canada, where you can find finely tanned, utterly-non-hypocritical, environmentally friendly, non-baby-having, non-crapping-dog owning, non-trash-creating, non-Christian value having, YDS grade upholding, natural blond, legit gangsta hardmen hipsters to climb with.

Seriously, with all that, why would you even think of stopping at COR?

Edit - Austin, love it.

Hellllllllll yeah! NOt even 10 posts in and we got a Urioste name drop!

MP at it's finest brajes!1!!

I'd like to know the entire range (min-max hiking distance from car) of both 1) lily white hipsters and 2) Dow Williams so that I can plan accordingly when I next visit COR.

"I'd like to know the entire range (min-max hiking distance from car) of both 1) lily white hipsters and 2) Dow Williams so that I can plan accordingly when I next visit COR"

A competent party can reach the start of the climb in 4 minutes, but only if they're wearing a cowboy hat and hanging off a giant rock penis to the world's worst song first.

Ride Him Cowboy

Doesnt Dow live in St. George? He is probably somewhat immersed with his view. SLC is more of a 50/50 split which I would say is where a vast majority of Utah climbers are driving in from.

As to conservative and religious slamming, he's probably just jaded from a personal experience and had to let it out. Weird to post that rant on an official page description, though. Doesnt really have any bearing on the routes in a guide book type setting.

Hey Gang,

Still wanted to see if there is any reality in the description I had seen posted in the OP. Heading to CoR in a few weeks. Thanks, team!

Andre

Andre H. wrote:Hey Gang, Still wanted to see if there is any reality in the description I had seen posted in the OP. Heading to CoR in a few weeks. Thanks, team! Andre

Reality only in the sense that almost any crag in the country that has essentially zero approach, totally flat staging/belay areas, and directly next to campsites will have the same issues. Same thing with increased crowds on weekends. Regarding the rest of CoR, that Summitpost page is mostly BS.

The Breadloaves: Almo's newest coffee bar featuring fine roasts, great music, and free wifi. We strive to maintain a family-friendly atmosphere and reserve the right to deny service to incompetent parties. Hardcore alpinist/desert rat/summit post-types welcome!

Tony B wrote:I told the 5(?4) year old that distracting the 3(?2) year old with a different toy was the way to make him want something else, or to give him a particular idea about what to do with the toy digging trucks so that he could play too... and that was as much parenting as I saw going on.

You missed a golden opportunity to teach the kids what a "spit take" is and how much fun they add to boring dinners with mom and dad.

Andre H. wrote:Hey Gang, Still wanted to see if there is any reality in the description I had seen posted in the OP. Heading to CoR in a few weeks. Thanks, team! Andre

Elephant Rock, Bath Rock, and the Bread Loaves can be and mostly likely will be a complete shit show on the weekends. During the week these areas are much less crowded.

Trump lost pretty badly in Idaho and by a landslide in Utah..

But his wife definitely wrote that speech last night, and "with a leeetle help as possible.."

Allen Sanderson wrote: Elephant Rock, Bath Rock, and the Bread Loaves can be and mostly likely will be a complete shit show on the weekends. During the week these areas are much less crowded.

Parking Lot rock also, well, at least Delay of Game. I think the bolts on that route vibrate constantly from Saturday morning to Sunday evening from the continual clipping/unclipping.

Dow...no soup for you!

Ha ha!

Fantastic rant. See at Decadent Wall!

Lily white Utah hipsters at the base of Decadent Wall...ha!