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Charlie,

The work is only just beginning. The NEPA process will start later this year, it will drag on for years and there will be oppurtunity for public comment.

Advocacy groups will be speeding a lot of money to defend their turf. The tunnel concept alone colld drag the process out as far 2020.

I can't say strong enough that with NEPA, he/ she with the most money typically, wins. Start saving your money to donate to groups like the Wasatch Backxountry Alliance. We have been one of the most vocal groups in the process and will continue to fight for preservation of the Wasatch.

I don't have a problem with fees as long as they go back into the canyon to help fund the FS maintenance backlog, continued mining reclamation, ecological studies, transit service, trail system improvements, etc. That's enough reason to pay the fee or buy a pass at AF even though I don't have to.:) Not to say that fees are a given via Mountain Accord.

I welcome any help that might keep the riff raff out of LCC. Charlie, how about you catch Frontrunner, I'll pick you up at Central, and we go clean a few tags before climbing some pitches?

jonathan knight wrote:I don't have a problem with fees as long as they go back into the canyon to help fund the FS maintenance backlog, continued mining reclamation, ecological studies, transit service, trail system improvements, etc. That's enough reason to pay the fee or buy a pass at AF even though I don't have to.:) Not to say that fees are a given via Mountain Accord. I welcome any help that might keep the riff raff out of LCC. Charlie, how about you catch Frontrunner, I'll pick you up at Central, and we go clean a few tags before climbing some pitches?

Maybe it's my inner rebel but I always have problems with fees.

There's a significant difference between a toll to "disincentivize" and a toll to support the lands. One requires a business case to show what and where dollars are needed. The other lines someone's unknown pockets.

I'm up for crag cleanup. I participated this year down in LCC and that was rewarding.

I'm not sure what the solution is to keep the riff-raff out. But it's unfortunate that the actions of a few dictate the environment for the rest. (What's new, right?)

Thanks for volunteering and submitting comments. The SLCA has an unprecedented 6 Adopt-a-Crags lined up this year among other volunteer opportunities. We've put a lot of work in with the FS and BLM towards these tangible outcomes via the NEPA process in most cases. It's not always those with the most money that can navigate NEPA. Sometimes organization and persistence win the day.

There's no reason that a fee couldn't discourage single occupancy vehicles while directing all of the funds back into the canyon(s). As a community, we need to be vigilant through out the Mountain Accord process, submitting comments and leveraging outdoor recreation advocacy organizations and businesses. Helping ensure that fee revenue stays here and goes where it is most needed is the tip of the iceberg.

Any ideas how this will play into the Mountain Accord's process?
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Will users be double-hit with a canyon entrance fee AND a trailhead fee?

This appears to be headed out of control.

Being familiar with Government work, this is simply a money-grab. It's the same kind of shenanigans employed at the Superbowl and Creek Pasture campsite fees at Indian Creek.

This is a FS action, separate from Mountain Accord. It is essentially a parking pass at the 10 sites that have the 6 amenities necessary to charge a fee based on recent, legal precedent. They can't charge for parking at any one of hundreds of dirt pull outs in the three, fee areas. We'll have to see how they handle over flow parking adjacent the fee sites.

These sites are getting slammed, and with the maintenance backlog on the Salt Lake Ranger District, I don't see the downside. This would also help fund new trails and better local/regional trail connectivity that will enhance future transit improvements.